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Regarding refueling pod, it seems it was possible IRL according to this picture, so we will consider it, though it most likely won’t appear in the Early Access version, and it will probably need some support from ED’s code.
In any case, we need to research to find enough info, like a description of how it worked, and pod data (pictures, measures, weight and aerodynamic coefficients).
We will also think about towed targets.
Regarding empty tanks, that is an interesting capability, but probably needs work from ED.

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2 hours ago, Vibora said:

Regarding refueling pod, it seems it was possible IRL according to this picture, so we will consider it, though it most likely won’t appear in the Early Access version, and it will probably need some support from ED’s code.
In any case, we need to research to find enough info, like a description of how it worked, and pod data (pictures, measures, weight and aerodynamic coefficients).
We will also think about towed targets.
Regarding empty tanks, that is an interesting capability, but probably needs work from ED.

MIrageF1EQ-4_Refuelingpod.jpg

I found on this site the page of a French magazine where the photos were published.

https://far-maroc.forumpro.fr/t2109-les-mirage-de-bagdad

 

The French magazine is called "LE FANA DE L'AVIATION", and there are several photos of them equipped with aerial refueling pods in the Mirage F1 feature on Iraq.

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8 hours ago, Vibora said:

Regarding refueling pod, it seems it was possible IRL according to this picture, so we will consider it, though it most likely won’t appear in the Early Access version, and it will probably need some support from ED’s code.
In any case, we need to research to find enough info, like a description of how it worked, and pod data (pictures, measures, weight and aerodynamic coefficients).
We will also think about towed targets.
Regarding empty tanks, that is an interesting capability, but probably needs work from ED.

MIrageF1EQ-4_Refuelingpod.jpg

I tried to find out about the refueling pods equipped by MirageF1, but I could not find any direct information about which refueling pods were used by Mirages in Iraq.


However, I noticed that in France, the country where the Mirage was produced, refueling pods similar to the one in this image were used in Super Étendard and Rafale, and I even found out that they were produced by a company called "Safran".

They seem to have been producing refueling pods for many years, and the N220B refueling pod shown on the company website is very similar to that of the Iraqi Mirage.

https://www.safran-group.com/products-services/aerial-refueling-systems-and-equipment

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Admiral_ZIPANGU, you gave me an excellent idea to have some information

The french air force used a refuel pod call Intertechnique Douglas D827 for their Etendard IV and Super Etendard .

These airplanes are in service before and after the Mirage F1. So it's certainly the sort of buddy-buddy refuel pod they used for Iraqi mirage F1Eq.

The only store for the centerline pylon is the Douglas Refueling Pod

With this refueling pod can be used to add petrol for Etendard IV (not in DCS), Mirage F1 (soon in DCS 😇), M2000 and even F14 and F18 !!!

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  • Here are some of characteristic of this buddy refuel Pod :

With a weight of 360 kg, it can transfer kerosene at a flow rate of 800 liters / min (600 kg / min) thanks to a flexible hose 15 m long terminated by a mounted conical basket on ball joint (folded inside, open outside the basket). It also includes a winding drum, a fuel pump and a hydraulic pump (supplying the energy necessary for the operation of the nacelle components) actuated by the propeller mounted in the nose cone - the propeller being driven in rotation by the only dynamic air current. (http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/super-etendard/caracteristiques.htm)

Etendard (ETD) and Super Etendard (SUE). The FN operates Etendard and Super
Etendard aircraft fitted with an externally carried AAR Pod.
a. AAR Equipment. Both types of aircraft have one centreline refuelling station. The
Douglas 827A pod is in service but is currently being replaced by the Inter-technique 827B
pod.
b. Refuelling Heights and Speeds. The AAR height band is sea level to 25,000 ft but
for training purposes fuel transfer is not permitted below 5000 ft. Speed range is
250 - 280 KIAS (optimum 270 KIAS). Maximum speed for hose trail is 280 KIAS.
c. Maximum Transferable Fuel. Transferable fuel depends on mission duration.
Maximum transferable for the Etendard is 2400 kg (5290 lb) at 100 nm from a carrier and

for the Super Etendard is 1800 kg (3970 lb) at 50 nm from a carrier or base.
d. Fuel Transfer Rate. The tanker can transfer fuel at a constant rate of 300 - 400
kg/min (660 - 800 lb/min).

e. Regulated Fuel Pressure. Fuel pressure at the drogue is regulated not to exceed 3.8
bars (55 psi). Nominal fuel pressure is 2.15 bars (31 psi).

f. Fuel Type Available for AAR:
Primary/usual is F34 (if land based) or F42/F40 (if carrier based).
g. Receiver Types Certified. The following aircraft types are certified to receive fuel
from the Etendard (ETD) or Super Etendard (SUE):
(1) A-6E.

(2) EA-6B.

(3) Etendard IV M, IV P, Super Etendard.

(4) F8E Crusader (FN).

(5) F-14.

(6) F-18.
(7) Mirage F1B/C, 2000B/C (FAF).

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photo Douglas 827 refuel - Copie.jpg

technics Douglas 827 refuel  Pod - Copie.png

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In the case of the Etendard, I've heard that the command panel on the Douglas pod replaces the IVM gunsight and the IVP camera control panel. I saw a video of the Etendard (with refueling pod) in FSX, and the panel part of the gunsight was I'm thinking that might be it.(The resolution is low, the text is hard to read, and I don't understand French.)

But I don't know if that is the same one as the MirageF1, and I think it is very likely that it is not helpful. I'll leave you with the URL in case you want to check it out.

I'd like to buy a book on the Iraqi Mirage to see pictures of the cockpit, but I've seen very little of the F1E cockpit to begin with, so it's hard to discern what's different and if there are any panels that look like it. 


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In the same way as give us Admiral_ZIPANGU, you can see a picture about a Mod (FSX) made by serious and passionate of the Etendard IV. They indicate they work with original documentation.

The speed and Alt indicate in their manual seems good (250/280kts) with Nato spec.

In the cockpit, they create a refuel panel with 2 functions : 1- a switch to activate the mode Refuel (start/stop) and 2- a switch for activate the boom pod (out/in)

https://docplayer.fr/40197992-Royale-french-navy-design-mai-etendard-ivm-p-version-1-0.html

 

Like say Admiral _Zipangu, one source could be a book by Miguel Garcia made about the Mirage F1 in Iraqi...

I have command it and try to find something more specific to our prefer plane😀

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On 11/26/2021 at 6:59 PM, Avimimus said:

Clouds do move in their internal test version.

*edit* I didn't realise this post was so old.

 

Yeah saw that vid. But lets be honest, clouds need to actually block IR missiles and AI. Clouds have actual "tactical" significance, I personally don't care too much how they look as long as "work" like clouds.

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1 hour ago, Harlikwin said:

Yeah saw that vid. But lets be honest, clouds need to actually block IR missiles and AI. Clouds have actual "tactical" significance, I personally don't care too much how they look as long as "work" like clouds.

Ya, they should work like clouds but I also definitely care how they look.

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We all definitely care about the looks no matter how superficial do we look like for that 🤣. Nonetheless the IA rework is being done AFAIK.

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21 minutes ago, WinterH said:

I do personally think it will be Q1 '22.

No, Aerges dont show any on cockpit video show funtionality or weapons use, and previously to a release, need send ED to review, aproval (more some Wags videos show the module). Has better when will done.


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Just now, Silver_Dragon said:

No, Aerges dont show any on cockpit video show funtionality or weapons use, and previously to a release, need send ED to review, aproval (more some Wags videos show the module). Has better when will done.

 

I know, but I still feel like Q1, which is 3 months mind you. Wags doesn't show every module as far as I can recall, at least when it comes to 3rd party ones.

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