Ryanwtod Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Is it possible to issue orders from the F10 map then watch the unit without "taking over"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madone Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Hmm not sure which unit are we talking about? You can definitely give orders without having to hop in the vehicle. Use the menu on the lower left to give formation and path/target order, though sometimes you have to double check because CA can be reluctant . I personally do that a lot with the artillery, give them targets and watch the splashes. Answered your question? Strike Posture Set CAS Center of Excellence Intel Core i5 4690k @4,6Ghz, Gigabyte GTX 970 OC, Gigabyte Z97-X, 16GB G Skill Sniper @2400, Samsung 860/850 EVO , Win 10 64 bits, Dual monitors 27"@144"Opentrack + TM Warthog + Saitek pro flight combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryanwtod Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 I wasn't talking about any specific unit. But for artillery for example I know how to assign a target. Once I do is there a way to jump to an exterior view of that unit without taking them over so I can watch them fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 F7 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorOldSpike Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 And if you're inside a tank or APC etc, hit Rt-Alt-J to get out, that'll hand over control of the gun to the AI gunner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorOldSpike Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I just created this small test scen in the editor, see if you can pick up any clues- 1- The setup, my Abrams vs a line of BTR's- 2- I start the game and my AI gunner begins automatically shooting- 3- I hit Rt-Alt-J to enter the tank and take over the gun, which now must be fired manually, this is the gunsight- 4- I hit F7 to go to external view but the gun WON'T fire because my soul is still inside the tank in the gunners seat- 5- So I hit Rt-Alt-J to get out of the gunners seat, and he begins firing again on his own initiative..:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I wasn't talking about any specific unit. But for artillery for example I know how to assign a target. Once I do is there a way to jump to an exterior view of that unit without taking them over so I can watch them fire? If you click on something then press F7 it should take you to that specific unit, should work the same as F2 for aircraft, F9 for ships and F6 for weapons, if you select it from the map when you press the keybind it should centre on the unit you selected. @PoorOldSpike if you want a 3rd person view of the vehicle, while retaining control of it, the better option is to use 'Isometric View' which I think is Insert by default. I'm not aware of a way to look in a particular direction without the turret following the mouse. Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorOldSpike Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 @PoorOldSpike if you want a 3rd person view of the vehicle, while retaining control of it, the better option is to use 'Isometric View' which I think is Insert by default. I'm not aware of a way to look in a particular direction without the turret following the mouse. Yeah there are lots of ways to play CA, whatever floats your boat, personally I rarely go inside tanks or vehicles or use isometric view because I prefer floating like a god above the battlefield ordering my groups to go here / go there on the F10 map, then sit munching my popcorn while watching them shoot up the enemy on their own initiative like in the pics below..:)- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryanwtod Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 I think I found one big problem! My F7 Key doesn't work on my keyboard for whatever reason. Time to add a new gaming keyboard to the Christmas List!!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 If you click on something then press F7 it should take you to that specific unit, should work the same as F2 for aircraft, F9 for ships and F6 for weapons, if you select it from the map when you press the keybind it should centre on the unit you selected. @PoorOldSpike if you want a 3rd person view of the vehicle, while retaining control of it, the better option is to use 'Isometric View' which I think is Insert by default. I'm not aware of a way to look in a particular direction without the turret following the mouse. Maybe it's not relevant here but it should also be noted that in MP on some servers external views are disabled. There the only way to see your tank from the outside is the isometric view. There is a strong limit in zooming out though, your viewpoint will always be rather close to the vehicle which limits overall view, unlike F7 where you can zoom out very far. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Maybe it's not relevant here but it should also be noted that in MP on some servers external views are disabled. There the only way to see your tank from the outside is the isometric view. There is a strong limit in zooming out though, your viewpoint will always be rather close to the vehicle which limits overall view, unlike F7 where you can zoom out very far. Yeah, that's a point, I haven't used multiplayer in ages. Might be a good idea to have external views enabled/disabled for some players and not others (e.g players in observer slots), but keep it optional so it can be enforced? Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 And then you can cheat with external views 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorOldSpike Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I like external views (also called 3rd-person views) in 3D wargames because it's more realistic. Games without them are like first-person shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I like external views (also called 3rd-person views) in 3D wargames because it's more realistic. Games without them are like first-person shooters. How is it more realistic? It's definitely easier and probably more cinematic, but if it were for real, you'd probably be looking through a sight to see where you're going (obviously tank dependent), and what you're shooting at. Though admittedly in DCS this is super simplified, and it's nothing like how a tank simulator or even how a certain infantry based MilSim with a particular DLC is like (and that's not full fidelity either). In any case DCS still has a long way to go before we get anything resembling a tank simulator, even if not full-fidelity. Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorOldSpike Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 PoorOldSpike said- I like external views (also called 3rd-person views) in 3D wargames because it's more realistic. Games without them are like first-person shooters. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ How is it more realistic?. Well with 1st-person you're looking through the eyes of your character and it feels like you've got your head in a box with slits for the eyes and with no situational awareness and I hated it when I tried it in all sorts of 3D games..:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpidey Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 11/28/2020 at 10:12 AM, PoorOldSpike said: PoorOldSpike said- I like external views (also called 3rd-person views) in 3D wargames because it's more realistic. Games without them are like first-person shooters. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm pretty sure that's how it is inside a real tank. Well with 1st-person you're looking through the eyes of your character and it feels like you've got your head in a box with slits for the eyes and with no situational awareness and I hated it when I tried it in all sorts of 3D games..:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorOldSpike Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I was a tank driver in an Arma3 game and i could only see through the narrow vision slit, I had no way of knowing what was going on all around, and felt like killing myself with boredom..:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 hours ago, JSpidey said: I'm pretty sure that's how it is inside a real tank. Yes. In a real tank there are at least three crewmembers who can look outside from different viewpoints and share the various tasks however, so there probably is a little more SA than we have in CA (or ArmA). Plus the enemy can't spot you through foliage and the like like here in CA, so I feel the isometric view is a good compromise at times due to the limitations mentioned. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra1 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Why can't we have a free swiveling head (with mouse or TrackIr) from the commanders position in tanks and IFV's /Sture Best Regards Sture Smidt DCS-flyer Find me on Facebook :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorOldSpike Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Yes a swivel head option would be welcome but in the meantime at least we can hit F7 to go to external view and swivel our POV from there..:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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