josuha1901 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I just bought the BF-109. I really like the plane. Very maneuverable and responsive. My problem is, I cannot find a way to trim the ailerons. The plane constantly wants to tilt to the right. I don't have this problem with the Spit, Mustang or Jug. (All have trim for nose and ailerons) There is trim for the nose (up/down) but no aileron trim. If anyone has a solution or can point me to where the aileron trim is. Or, how do I trim the airplane so it doesn't tilt and want to go right, I would appreciate it. Thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 German fighters in general did not have in-flight adjustable aileron and rudder trims. Only ground-adjustable (bent by mechanics) ones are available on K-4. By default the plane is set to fly relatively straight with cruise parameters (a bit above 1 ATA of boost and ~400 kph IAS), but you can change adjustment in "special" settings tab with trial and error method. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeCuvier Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 ... but you can change adjustment in "special" settings tab with trial and error method. Yes but that will only move the "comfort zone" to another fixed flight condition. So in the end you have to use Roll and Rudder input to control your flight in all other conditions. LeCuvier Windows 10 Pro 64Bit | i7-4790 CPU |16 GB RAM|SSD System Disk|SSD Gaming Disk| MSI GTX-1080 Gaming 8 GB| Acer XB270HU | TM Warthog HOTAS | VKB Gladiator Pro | MongoosT-50 | MFG Crosswind Pedals | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 ^ Absolutely. @OP - in the end, it's something typical for German fighters (different design philosophy) and you just have to get used to it. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count von Altibar Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just keep an eye on that balance ball and rudder as desired it'll become intuitive the more you fly it just give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reflected Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Wait I have the same issue. When I open the control monitor window, I see that my stick is slightly off to the right. I thought it was a calibration issue, but on all other planes, it's perfectly centered. Facebook Instagram YouTube Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I don't have this problem with the Spit, Mustang or Jug. (All have trim for nose and ailerons) Correction, only one plane has aileron trim in DCS from warbird pack, and this plane is P-51 rest of them don't have aileron trims. System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 ^ Nah, correction to correction - P-47 does as well :). i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 ^ Nah, correction to correction - P-47 does as well :). oh forgot about this one, its new. Anyway point was that most of rolling tendency you should cancel with rudder trim not aileron trim. Problem is that while flying BF-109 it rolls even with ball centered so in my case i have to use aileron trim in settings in special tab System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobyon Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I have this problem too. When my stick is centred the roll pitch indicator says I'm rolling right. Only happens in the 109. I have a similar problem in the spitfire where it will pitch up. I have the warthog and even in the axis assign it says my stick is centered Minor Lancaster Fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I have this problem too. When my stick is centred the roll pitch indicator says I'm rolling right. Only happens in the 109. I have a similar problem in the spitfire where it will pitch up. I have the warthog and even in the axis assign it says my stick is centered Keep in mind diamond on the indicator does not correspond to your physical joystick position, but to virtual controls position, and thus it's offset a bit depending on any forces from the airflow acting on them at chosen moment. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobyon Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Keep in mind diamond on the indicator does not correspond to your physical joystick position, but to virtual controls position, and thus it's offset a bit depending on any forces from the airflow acting on them at chosen moment. In the spitfire, Full down trim wont stop it from pulling up and trimming down doesn't move the indicator Minor Lancaster Fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 ^ Game or simulation flight mode? Trimming doesn't work in former indeed, but it works in latter, at any speed. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greiffer Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Rudder pedals will correct adverse rolling with 109 and1 90....... try it and it works! Edited December 13, 2020 by greiffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 You can't adjust rudder trim in flight in 109, only elevator trim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The 109's rudder trim tab was adjusted on the ground so that it would provide stable flight at cruising speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 16 hours ago, randomTOTEN said: You can't adjust rudder trim in flight in 109, only elevator trim There is rudder trim present in the DCS 109 in form of you setting the position of the rudder by pressing the key combos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art-J Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, razo+r said: There is rudder trim present in the DCS 109 in form of you setting the position of the rudder by pressing the key combos. ????? I could've sworn the trim parameter in special settings is not adjustable in the mission. You mean the "rudder 1 notch" command? Might be a solution for keyboard pilots, but wouldn't it be cancelled by twist stick or pedals input? Edited December 14, 2020 by Art-J i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Art-J said: ????? I could've sworn the trim parameter in special settings is not adjustable in the mission. Correct, you cannot adjust trim tabs in flight 32 minutes ago, Art-J said: You mean the "rudder 1 notch" command? Might be a solution for keyboard pilots, but wouldn't it be cancelled by twist stick or pedals input? Yes, you are right. I've always regarded it as trim so far... And yes, the pedals to take priority over the key command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMH Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) You can preset the rudder and aileron trim in the Bf-109K Special menu. (Every plane with fixed trim tabs should offer this ability. Unfortunately only this one does.) Sorry, see now this was mentioned already. It's realistic. You should have to manually fight the trim when not flying at whatever speed you preset the trim for. Edited December 16, 2020 by SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant07 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 -28 to -30 in the special options seems to center the stick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percydanvers Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I've found that if you're cruising at about 1.0 ATA or lower all it takes is a very slight rudder input to keep it centered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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