VirusAM Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 I am at mission 5... The famous one (I read the book so no spoiler for me :) ) I know what should happen, but i just think that some trigger don't play as after prince calls knock it off for joker fuel ( i was still at 7500 pounds so i didn't call joker fuel from the menu) he remains red and try to kill me as best as he can as I was trying to climb to 28 angels as asked via the radio voice over... So what went wrong? R7-5800X3D 64GB RTX-4090 LG-38GN950 Valve Index VPForce Rhino FFB, Virpil F-14 (VFX) Grip, Virpil Alpha Grip, Virpil CM3 Throttle + Control Panel 2, Winwing Orion (Skywalker) Pedals, Razer Tartarus V2 SpeedMaster Flight Seat, JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Not sure, some people have reported that but I can’t reproduce (works OK for me). Use F10 radio to report you are hit as a workaround to make him continue as he should. Sorry about that, one of the AI quirks I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Panther= Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Experienced the same, not sure if it helped or just a random timing but I flew towards wpt 3 and set up an orbit. Prince finally transformed back and climbed out. Twitch Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Z390 Aorus Xtreme, i9 9900k, G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB, 1080ti 11GB, Obutto R3Volution, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, TPR, Cougar MFDs, FSSB R3L, JetSeat, Oculus Rift S, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, F/A-18C UFC, Tek Creations F-16 ICP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adirtynurse Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I've played this mission 6 times now and the only time I got past the BFM part was the very first time. Every other time Prince goes into the drink. I think its maneuver kills, instead of him running out of fuel. Just 5min ago (as I am writing this post) Prince ran out of airspeed and went down (Prince disregards the hard deck everytime, I guess that's the AI limitation). The second to last try he called tapes on for the second gun BFM and as I was turning back in I saw the splash in the water. I'll try again a few times. May I suggest a couple of possible solutions? 1) Put a save point before the BFM part, so you wouldn't have to go through the entire start-up and transit part. 2) Place a trigger at the BFM place somehow connected to Prince, that will understand if he's still alive or not and based on that spawn in a new Prince if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adirtynurse Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Got it done. I just gave up on the BFMing and just "spacebar-d" my way through. AI being wonky, just took everything away from this mission and me from the story and campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Hey guys, sorry about that. I spent dozens of hours fine-tuning this mission (and the beta testerst can testify to that, flying this mission dozens of times) and in the version that was prepped for release all worked well. Going to dedicate a whole evening to this one soon and fine - tune it again. Thanks for all the feedback and suggestions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirrah Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I've flown this one today and all worked fine here After 3 or 4 "kills", he called out Joker and started ascending to Angels 28. Rest of the mission was epic! Just thought I'd share.. System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Yeah, this looks like a random thing that some people experience, and for some Prince does what he is asked to do. I checked the mission trigger-wise and it looks OK, everything is as it should, but that is not a guarantee of anything when it comes to DCS... Maybe I'll be able to add some kind of safeguard via F10 if this happens, I'll check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkIgo Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 In my case, I have a problem with AI crashing into the water and after that mission doesn't progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike789 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Yes I’m having the same issue he hits the water on the second missile engagement. I can still space bar through the guns as the calls still come from prince. Ie tapes on etc. but after that nothing progresses. I flew back and landed in the carrier but mission doesn’t progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiboss Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 About to fly this and noticed a typo in the briefing, thought id mention it here rather than start a separate topic. Prince's brief sets Joker at 6000. Designer notes reminds to call Joker at 7000. :thumbup: Discord - Psycho#8075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schurem Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Heh I just flew it and Prince broke the Hard deck after I had killed him four times in a major way! He flew right into the drink :/ Shouldn't he have called it quits after the first "guns kill"? It's a great bunch of missions @baltic_dragon , must be frustrating to have them break in so many infuriating ways non? Well you take your time taking care of it, I'm in no hurry. I'll just try again tomorrow and be more gentle with him the next go ;-) I5 9600KF, 32GB, 3080ti, G2, PointCTRL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Thanks guys. If you experience trouble with this mission (which seems to be random and will require a lot of testing from me), just use F10 radio menu to call Prince hits you several times. This should do the trick. Splashing into the water is something that started to happen 1-2 patches back. Perhaps try to keep the engagement higher :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RightYouAreKen Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 <Update> Your tip to keep altitude high in the training fights worked great. On my 3rd attempt on the mission I kept angels above 20 and kept Prince alive in order to proceed with the mission. Glad I gave it another go and played through to the end. Well worth the effort! [original post] Yes I’m having the same issue he hits the water on the second missile engagement. I can still space bar through the guns as the calls still come from prince. Ie tapes on etc. but after that nothing progresses. I flew back and landed in the carrier but mission doesn’t progress Exactly my problem as well. Both times I've tried it tonight he's crashed into the drink. The first time, I used the F10 menu to report hits until he called joker and a climb to Angels 28, but after that I was so confused as to what I should do that I just cruised back towards the carrier, used the radio callouts, landed, but still didn't get mission completion. The second time I just exited out after he crashed because I hadn't read this thread yet. How do we actually get the mission to complete successfully if Prince crashes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypirate Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I was wondering what's going on with Prince hitting the water twice. The first time was after the second gun kill, I just lost him visually. 10 min later figured he's probably gone, proven by the mission debrief. The second time we had a nice sidewinder/guns fight, I was trying to keep him high and eventually reached to the Jocker point. He started the climb to 28K/250, me just beside him, when he suddenly dropped the nose down and flew straight into the water from around angels 20... Something is making him commit an early suicide.... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Maybe some fuel problems? Which would be a DCS bug, as he spawns with full tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schurem Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 What channel should the radios be on? I heard very little retrying this flight this morning.. 2 and 1 right? With the primary on guard as well? I5 9600KF, 32GB, 3080ti, G2, PointCTRL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 You need to enable ground monitoring in the background to hear most of the transmissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Spad_ Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 11/14/2020 at 11:42 PM, skypirate said: I was wondering what's going on with Prince hitting the water twice. The first time was after the second gun kill, I just lost him visually. 10 min later figured he's probably gone, proven by the mission debrief. The second time we had a nice sidewinder/guns fight, I was trying to keep him high and eventually reached to the Jocker point. He started the climb to 28K/250, me just beside him, when he suddenly dropped the nose down and flew straight into the water from around angels 20... Something is making him commit an early suicide.... I just had this happen. During the second bfm set, he just dove straight into the water?? Now I can't continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PD919 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Same issue. Prince thinks he has a submarine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyG Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Same issue. First guns kill fine, separate, turn in, he's gone. Mission log show he died. Flew back to the boat solo and got a 50% on the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic_dragon Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 There is nothing I can do about this guys - and I also cannot reproduce, he behaves OK on my end (and several other people I asked). My only advice at this point is to keep the fight above 10K and just keep pressing higher, hope this AI issue is solved at some point. I am very sorry about it, but I spent probably around 20h trying to reproduce or change it but it just never happened for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyG Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Thanks for looking it. Being around DCS long enough, you learn there’s only so much you can do with the AI. Great campaign regardless!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phtate0830 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Hi Baltic, Reading through the thread I understand that this issue seems to be random but just wanted to provide you some more information. This is the third time I'm flying through the campaign but is the first time I'm experiencing the issue of Prince flying into the water. I'd never heard of this issue before so it caught me off guard the first time (and I flew into the water after him...). As I had been below 10K the first time I replayed the mission with the focus of keeping the fight above 10K. However, on the second attempt, despite being at 20K, Prince still dove into the water and I was unable to progress. As Prince had called off the fight, I tried to fly to the East to see if Prince would respawn but no luck. Both instances occurred in the 4th engagement (second guns engagement). I'll try it again after exiting and restarting DCS but just wanted you to be aware. Thanks for a great campaign, I've really enjoyed playing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apheks Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) I'm stuck too. I tried 3 times and its always the same. After the second engagement, Prince crashes in the water. This morning I tried to just continue and land on the carrier but it looks like I am missing a trigger. Update. I "spaced bar" my way trough the bfm part.And i finally completed the mission ... super exciting. But by not doing the dogfight at the beginning I kindda broke the spirit of the mission by having too much fuel. Still super cool. Edited January 10, 2021 by apheks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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