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And the winner is ...

 

changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

I guess that's 30 seconds I'll never get back. I thought you had something pertinent to discuss.

 

The do have a chit-chat forum where you can do stuff like this to your heart's content.

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Google for 5900X to get your 30 seconds back ;-)

 

It won't fit in your VIC 20 so you're going to have to upgrade to an Amiga.

 

I never could understand why people get sooooo attached to their HW or vendor. For me, it's just a tool to let me play DCS in best possible way. (And other work, of course)

 

But glad you're excited for the AMD launch. I hope it lives up to your expectations.

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im waiting for this gen to settle in then i just might rebuild my pc, i dont care at all for manufacturers (they sure as hell dont care about you!) i will buy whatever i think will run dcs in vr the best lol

im keeping a close eye on this forum for that exact reason

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Zen 3 is gonna be a big jump over Zen 2.... this year...

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Intel vs. AMD

 

In the first benchmarks seems the zen3 seems to be faster also in single threading (zen2 was already faster then intel in multithreading)

 

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Have to say... I'm very impressed with those results.

Also with the single core ones - judging from 3950x to 5950x it's ~17% gains, like they promised.

 

Also impressed with simple CPU-Z benchmark, where the 5900X (12c/24t) is put against a stock R7 3700X (8c/16t).

For reference, the i9 9900K (stock) does 543 on single and 5423 on multi.

 

https://m.hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/145873-amd-ryzen-9-5900x-cpu-z-bench-shows-impressive-1t-gains/

 

 

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This is long running benchmark.

Intel can only do bursts to 5.3, making sure there are less drops/stutter.

AMD can only boost one core to 4.6-4.9

Intel can have all cores boost (Vulkam welcomes it).

In theory, Intel still maybe the king for games.

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I dont get the "RIP Intel" mentality of the internet... :doh:

After 16 years AMD finally plans to launch a product that is a tiny bit faster. About 5 Months after the Release of the 10900K Series.

Its great there is finally some competition, but Intel is still a solid choice, even if in some cases a 5900X might have a small benefit in performance.

 

I'm happy after months of consideration, I picked a 10900K in August instead of a 3900XT.

 

IMHO the 10900K probably still comes out on top in DCS. :music_whistling::joystick:

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im no fan boi,m over the years iv had 386, 486, cyrix (yes really haha) athlon, 920 (i think), 3770k at 4.8 and atm i have a 7700k at 5ghz.

im doing a build from the ground up now and ive gone for x570 and 5900x, 32gb 4400mhz ram, undecided on gfx card yet, im tentatively awaiting the 20gb 3080. see what thats like

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If I just had bought a I9-10900K with an expensive watercooling-solution Id also say, Intel still is the best. :smilewink: And it boosts up to 5,3Ghz. Alt least some chips in very rare occasions, even though I probably would have never seen it do so.

 

From what we have seen yesterday, it might be that AMD comes out top on 90% of games. But we will have to wait first for good reviews.

 

But since there is no decent source for CPU-comparisons in DCS, everybody will interpret this in his own way to come out on top. And of course DCS is way different to everything else...:smilewink:

 

If I had a 10900K, Id be happy; but Id also be happy to have a 5900X. Nevertheless, if I go for a new CPU right now, Id go with the latter. But just because Id still be able to use my Noctua NH-D15-cooler.... Id not care for the 3-5% the 5900X will offer more in gaming performance.

 

I guess only the top fanboys of each brand will be able to see that difference.

 

By the way: Im a Noctua-Fanboy!:megalol:

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RTX3080 has showed us that "CPU is a limit now".

Hopefully it will change with future generations or iterations of games (arma4/dcs-vulkan).

Fast and cool 6-8cores will become more important.

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Personally I'm aiming at mid-range and will have to wait for a BIOS update for my B450 GAMING PLUS MAX, but it already supports the right bus for the Big Navy GPU...

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I figured I'd ride out to the next Intel generation - expected AMD to only get around Intel numbers on single core.

 

Now I'm thinking the gaming rig I built in Jine (10700k) will get turned into a workstation (my current Linux box is long in the tooth - 3770k) and I'll jump on a AMD CPU/mobo for DCS.

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I figured I'd ride out to the next Intel generation - expected AMD to only get around Intel numbers on single core.

 

Now I'm thinking the gaming rig I built in Jine (10700k) will get turned into a workstation (my current Linux box is long in the tooth - 3770k) and I'll jump on a AMD CPU/mobo for DCS.

 

I was planning on waiting another generation to update my 8700K but I have drank the Kool Aid. Good on AMD to step up and innovate where Intel has pretty much sat on their rears...I have been Intel for many years but will happily be picking up a 5950X as soon as I can...Hopefully Nov 5th lol

 

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This one will do great to replace my 1080TI 11GB.

 

Radeon RX 6800 will launch for $579 and go toe-to-toe with Nvidia's RTX 3070

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/radeon-rx...dias-rtx-3070/

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/radeon-rx...dias-rtx-3070/

 

 

EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 vs Radeon RX 6800

 

 

Frequency 1556 MHz

 

Frequency 1815 MHz

 

 

Texture Rate 374.1 GTexel/s

 

Texture Rate 505.2 GTexel/s

 

 

TDP 250 W

 

TDP 250 W

 

 

Memory Size 11 GB

 

Memory Size 16 GB

 

 

Memory Type GDDR5X

 

Memory Type GDDR6

 

 

Memory Bus 352 bit

 

Memory Bus 256-bit

 

 

Bandwidth 484.4 GB/s

 

Bandwidth 512.0 GB/s

 

 

Notes: For playing DCS, more memory and memory bandwidth are far better, that's one of my main requirements.

 

TDP is the same, the only extra power drain would come from CPU and RAM upgrade.

 

131.1‬ GTexel/s Texture Rate difference between the two.

 

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Going with 5900X over the 5950X.. The 5900x has a stronger single core with more cache per core.. more room for OC .. Was hard decision to make but 12 cores is good 16 wont see a difference really just less pure speed. Photoshop no diff.. IMO the 5800X is a very good one for the price.. and the best is the 5900X if you have more things running on the background

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Here it is, finally, the first review on Ryzen 3rd gen (5000 series), It's from a brazilian channel, but you can use translated subtitles:

EDIT: REVIEW WAS DELETED FROM YOUTUBE (embargo still going I think, hence why it's shut down)

 

Spoiler alert: the overall veredict is that, for gaming, it's now neck and neck with Intel's best (i5, i7, i9 "K" processors) and some results are actually surprising....

 

16 Game Average. 1080p with RTX 3070.

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[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]Ryzen 5900x (Stock)[/TD]

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[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]103[/TD]

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[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]101%[/TD]

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[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]I9 10900k (OC 5 Ghz)[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]177[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]102[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]103%[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]100%[/TD]

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[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]I9 10900k (Stock)[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]172[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]102[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]100%[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]100%[/TD]

[/TR]

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[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]Ryzen 5800x (Stock)[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]184[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]101[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]107%[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]99%[/TD]

[/TR]

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[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]Ryzen 5600x (Stock)[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]181[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]100[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]105%[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]98%[/TD]

[/TR]

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[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]Ryzen 3600x (Stock)[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]157[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]94[/TD]

[TD=class: _3DYfYn_cczg1wj_a3hhyV6]91%[/TD]

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The 5600x beats the 10900k in:

  • CS:GO (+95 FPS)
  • Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (+2 FPS)
  • Flight Simulator (+9 FPS)
  • GTAV (+2 FPS)
  • Rainbow Six Siege (+12 FPS)
  • Shadow of the Tomb Raider (+13 FPS)
  • The Witcher 3 (+21 FPS)
  • Watch Dogs Legion (+6 FPS)

The 10900k beats the 5600x in:

  • Assassin's Creed Odyssey (+1 FPS)
  • Final Fantaxy XV (+1 FPS)
  • For Honor (+4 FPS)
  • RDR2 (+9 FPS)
  • Strange Brigade (+1 FPS)
  • The Division 2 (+1 FPS)

The 5600x and 10900k are even in:

  • Far Cry 5

...namely with MSFS2020 (maybe relevant for DCS), as per the screenshot I took from the video, see below.

 

From what I gather around in forums, there may be issue for users such as, 1) the availability (another paper launch incoming?) and, 2) possible issues with many B550/X570 motherboards requiring bios update prior to the installation of these new processors.

 

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It won't be a paper launch, the new Ryzen 5XXX CPUs are already in stock in shops in my country (unlike e.g. Nvidia 3080).

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It won't be a paper launch, the new Ryzen 5XXX CPUs are already in stock in shops in my country (unlike e.g. Nvidia 3080).

 

Please do share the links for those shops, as they're not available anywhere...

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