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This must be a joke, italy was a 35% of f-104 losses, probably the worst of all users. they got 360 with 127 lossed

 

Germany lossed 292 of 916 a 31%...

 

Germany retired the F-104 in 1987, Italy in 2004.

17 years and 3 indigenous versions later. 1 million flight hours in total.

Canada had the biggest accident rate of nearly 50%, followed by Belgium (>40%).

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Love all the Century Series Fighters - Just a Golden Age in Fighter Development and Aviation.

 

And the F-104 fits in Perfectly - Would Love to Fly one in DCS.

 

Originally envisioned and designed as a High-Speed Interceptor, the F-104 never quite grew into a Dominent USAF Role despite being just Plain FAST. The F-104 was deployed to Vietnam - but was unsuitably (and stupidly) tasked to (for Example) CAS Missions for which it was poorly Designed.

 

I think the F-104 became a much more Iconic Aircraft in Europe where numerous NATO Members used it as a High Speed (Nuclear Capable) Strike Fighter. It's Low Drag, High Speed, and High Wing Loading made it a a Fast Comfortable Ride at Low Altitude using the High-Threat Tactics of the Cold War Days.

 

 

Lockheed's F-104 in Vietnam. Right Plane - Wrong War.

http://www.916-starfighter.de/Lockheed'sF-104inVietnam1966_Wings_10.1996.pdf

 

 

Starfighters "in action" in Vietnam 1965-1967

https://www.i-f-s.nl/vietnam/

 

F-104Cs served in SEA in 1965-66 and 1966-67 during two separate deployments. Over the course of these two deployments, seven F-104s were lost to enemy ground defenses; one F-104 was shot down by an enemy aircraft, and no enemy aircraft were engaged by F-104s while flying escort or CAP missions. It has been said that the F-104s "never had a mission and never made a mark" (*1) in SEA. Misconceptions, myth and misinformation about the F-104 have led to this impression. The facts tell a different story. By 1964, the USAF's only primary air superiority aircraft (*2) , the F-104C, had been forward deployed on several occasions (*3) to project US power and assure control of the air during world crises. The F-104 was widely regarded as the world's foremost daylight air-to-air platform (*4), and the pilots of TAC's 479th TFW, the only operators of the F-104C, had proven themselves to be masters of their trade in numerous mock air-to-air encounters (*5). It was therefore understood that the F-104Cs of the 479th's 435th, 436th or 476th TFSs would rapidly deploy to any troublespot where air superiority must be quickly established. Such a spot was SEA in 1965.

 

 

Lockheed F-104 Starfighter

Operational History

http://vietnam.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/f104starfighter-operation.html

 

 

A Quick Look at Why the F-104 Starfighter Was the Best Interceptor of Its Time

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/quick-look-why-f-104-starfighter-was-best-interceptor-its-time-64266

 

 

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6 hours ago, Pilot Ike said:

With the saddening news that ED failed in aquiring documents/licence for a Tornado and the F-4E initially planned by BST being thrown out for a 3rd party dev to take it up, I now need an F-104G more than ever!!! :helpsmilie:

 

 

Since most of the western planes modules are almost all done and the seeming impossibility of getting the Redforce modern planes along with their Euro counterparts.

 

Another Euro modern jet that could possible be done is the SEPECAT Jaguar series. So far, only India uses it.

 

That leaves only the EARLY Cold war era jets on the pipeline...Like the F-104 and the Phantom now...

 

Now ED has also said they've got no plans to even make a Mig 27 module and that plane had been retired pretty early. Currently, only Kazakhstan uses the Mig 27. I guess we will not be seeing even the cold war jets of Soviet era Russia like maybe even the Su-7/22.

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15 hours ago, jojyrocks said:

 

 

Since most of the western planes modules are almost all done and the seeming impossibility of getting the Redforce modern planes along with their Euro counterparts.

 

Another Euro modern jet that could possible be done is the SEPECAT Jaguar series. So far, only India uses it.

 

That leaves only the EARLY Cold war era jets on the pipeline...Like the F-104 and the Phantom now...

 

Now ED has also said they've got no plans to even make a Mig 27 module and that plane had been retired pretty early. Currently, only Kazakhstan uses the Mig 27. I guess we will not be seeing even the cold war jets of Soviet era Russia like maybe even the Su-7/22.

Looks like there will be a modern redfor aircraft: https://stormbirds.blog/2020/12/18/eagle-dynamics-confirms-mig-29-9-12-development/ :happy:

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6S.Duke

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We already started to work on this aircraft.
Only for you, a preview of our w.i.p. 3D model.

I'm joking, a F104 would be awesome but we will talk later about the possibility to have a official module.
We already have a defined roadmap agreed with ED but at the same time we want to announce only projects we are sure to complete. :)
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On 10/9/2020 at 4:37 PM, bkthunder said:

Canada had the biggest accident rate of nearly 50%, followed by Belgium (>40%).

 

Yea, as amazing and inspiring as the Canuck Starfighter was, we can't ignore the heavy price paid.

Back in the late 1980's I was told a story about the very early days of Canadian Starfighter service, back in the 1960's, mum's new husband, of one day on the flight line, saluted the pilot. He blasted down the runway at CFB Cold Lake in Alberta, Canada. Just as it lifted off, had a flameout. It dropped fast, all that weight, tiny wings and now decelerating, so pilot ejected. Chute opened nicely, by this time half the base was watching... and then watched in horror as he gently descended right into the inferno of his plane... there was no wind to carry him away, and he wasn't' able to steer away. Many years later I read about it in a book about the Canadian Starfighters.

Later, when Canadian Starfighters were deployed to West Germany, they would fly very low. Treetop level. Often at night, no NVG goggles, just well adjusted eyes and a bit of hints from clear skies star light. One such pilot clipped the top  of a church steeple, and crashed fatally.

I've heard stories of Starfighters come in to land at CFB Lahr (Canadian Base in Germany), while raining, and ending up spinning on the runway, facing sideways. I think all Starfighter pilots weren't just "sky warriors", but had to treat each flight like they were test pilots in a crazy machine!

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