Su-30MKK Full fid or FC3 version?

[jojyrocks]

The Su-30 is very much a guilty pleasure of mine. I would be absolutely ecstatic to be able to fly one in DCS.

 

 

 

 

Impossible to hope for a flyable Su-30 version of even FC3 kind when we don't even have a possible improvement underway mentioned in the placeholder roadmap for an improved 3D AI Model for the Su-30. Currently we have a paint/gimp version of Su-30 that looks VERY odd in the current improved AI model graphics.

[Alba57]

It got an F-18 in real life. I’m trying to be respectful to the pilot that was flying that day, but he was shot down by an R-40TD. It may have low G limits, but if you can surprise someone especially with a missile that doesn’t give RWR warning and an IRST to back it up, a lot of asymmetrical scenarios become possible.

 

It did it in real life, so I see no evidence to say it’s only good against SR-71. It got F-4s and F-5s also, obviously the F-18 shot down was no fluke but a pilot taking advantage of a good opportunity.

 

Hell this is DCS where people fly MiG-21s against Hornets and still get kills sometime, I’ve seen MiG-15s take out Hornets. I have no reason to doubt that event in 1991 and successes throughout the Iran Iraq war.

 

I’m not saying it will win, but there is real life precedent in the form of confirmed victories for its use against fighters, and no evidence that it’s only good for SR-71. When it’s been used successfully in real life against even fourth gen fighters flown by the US Navy, I don’t know how you can argue that such a scenario isn’t possible in DCS as well:dunno:

 

As for defending against a Phoenix, with a SPO-15 Beryoza, it’s just a matter of positioning and reading it right, using your speed and notching when you have to. It may be hard and was actually killed by a Phoenix once in real life, but there’s no reason for a good 25 pilot to think it’s hopeless against Phoenix when MiG-29s and Su-27s manage it with the same RWR and less speed, with Beryoza and using its speed I think a lot is possible for a good pilot, just like almost any other airframe matchup in DCS.

 

Mig-25 would not work in DCS World. It´s a long range, high speed interceptor, so it needs way much bigger maps and a way much better ground control to make its mission. Also the mission with a Mig-25 it's only one: take off, go as fast and as high as possible, follow Ground Control orders to intercept B-52 or B-1, lock them with your radar, launch missiles, and run away before the enemy escort fighters get you... Most people prefer multirole planes because, at the end of the day, this is a game, and multirole is more interesting than just always the same mission. It´s like the F-111 or the Mirage IV: cool planes, but would not work in DCS World.

[Harlikwin]

this is why I think DCS should focus more on capping towards 1990. ww2 to 1990. not that I dont wish for more futuristic planes, just that anyone who thinks the russians would seriously share data on any plane that their military flies or even sells to make a full fidelity model, theyre smoking crack.

ffs, someone got arrested in the US over the damn F16 module boarding an airplane with flight manuals for a F16A...

 

Yup... i think realistically mid 90s. Many countries have a 25 year minimum declass date.

[dundun92]

Impossible to hope for a flyable Su-30 version of even FC3 kind when we don't even have a possible improvement underway mentioned in the placeholder roadmap for an improved 3D AI Model for the Su-30. Currently we have a paint/gimp version of Su-30 that looks VERY odd in the current improved AI model graphics.

This would be deka taking this on not ED, so whether EDs AI model is complete doesnt mean much.

[jojyrocks]

This would be deka taking this on not ED, so whether EDs AI model is complete doesnt mean much.

 

 

If doable by 3rd party devs they would most certainly try out the more modern Su-27 family series....yes from the Chinese variants and derivatives too. It would certainly sell so well.

 

 

So from the THIRD party devs. IF they can. They could possibly do an EARLY Su-30 model and the base version could be doable. At least the Chinese Sukhoi family might have a chance. I don't know what their NEXT module truly is, though. No confirmation on that.

 

 

 

ED did say most of the 3D model AI model improvements are done by their third party sources.

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

If the Su-30MKK proves to be too ambitious a pursuit for Deka, could a full fidelity later J-11A with MFI-55 in full fidelity be an option?

Or even an early model without the MFI-55/extra screen?

 

That would certainly lack and MFD.

[Terrorban]

I am curious for Su-30MKK. Would DEKA need permission only from China or Russia as well to develop it in DCS? Would be nice to see this one with multi crew support.

[Top Jockey]

I know it may be hard for anyone to get enough info on the Su-30.

If so, I just wish Deka to move on to the next module as quickly as possible.

Preferably J-8F and J-7G. To me, with ASM, each of those module can easily worth $200.

 

Sure, why not $400 ?

 

They do ask $80 for a more "complex" weapons system like the F-14 Tomcat... but someone could ask $200 for remanufactured 3rd generation interceptors.

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

You said this would be possible depending available information, what information would you need? Radar specs? RWR info? Avionics logic?

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

Recently uboats said that you guys would need a manual, I thought you guys had one what happened?

[Wizard_03]

Too bad its not the MKI...No thrust vectoring, Canards, or LITENING pod for MKK.

Edited December 22, 2020 by Wizard_03

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

I do wish some one made an MKI

If I'm not mistaken its from about the same time but I'm not as well versed in all its variants and blocks certainly there must be an early one no longer in service that can be done.

 

Albeit air to air exclusive sadly is my guess.

[F-2]

On 12/21/2020 at 8:15 PM, Wizard_03 said:

Too bad its not the MKI...No thrust vectoring, Canards, or LITENING pod for MKK.

 

 

On 12/21/2020 at 10:52 PM, TaxDollarsAtWork said:

I do wish some one made an MKI

If I'm not mistaken its from about the same time but I'm not as well versed in all its variants and blocks certainly there must be an early one no longer in service that can be done.

 

Albeit air to air exclusive sadly is my guess.

It might be possible, Someone would have to ask HAL or the Indian Air Force if they can authorize it. They had a lot of leeway getting terms when they made the deal and own some of the systems and maybe even the whole craft, a dev would have to ask.

[jojyrocks]

On 12/25/2020 at 3:36 AM, F-2 said:

 

It might be possible, Someone would have to ask HAL or the Indian Air Force if they can authorize it. They had a lot of leeway getting terms when they made the deal and own some of the systems and maybe even the whole craft, a dev would have to ask.

 

 

I doubt it. It is like the backbone fighter currently in service with IAF and as such. It would be almost impossible to get permission.

 

I mean we don't even have an AI 3D model of the Su-30 even in the roadmaps mentioned. So if not even an updated 3D AI model, then hoping for the Su-30MK1 is pretty much...well, impossible.

 

However...the MOST BASE version of Su-30 could have SOME sliver of hope....

[F-2]

22 minutes ago, jojyrocks said:

 

 

I doubt it. It is like the backbone fighter currently in service with IAF and as such. It would be almost impossible to get permission.

 

I mean we don't even have an AI 3D model of the Su-30 even in the roadmaps mentioned. So if not even an updated 3D AI model, then hoping for the Su-30MK1 is pretty much...well, impossible.

 

However...the MOST BASE version of Su-30 could have SOME sliver of hope....

True, it’s due for a major mid life update though with a lot of systems to be changed including radar and I know full cockpit simulators exist. 

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

Any Irkut Su-30 is equally welcome but I am not sure if Deka would be able to do any

You would need a double (in the case of MKM & MKA Triple since you factor in the client nation) coincidence where UAC and HAL are OK with it being made

Because of political sensitivities I am not sure HAL would be OK with Deka making the Su-30MKI/Etc

 

Here's hoping Deka proves me wrong though I'd like to see it happen.

[Mike_Romeo]

Su-30 is still in the race guys