[W.I.P]Problems with capturing ground units A/G radar in MAP mode.

[Martin2487]

After an update (DCS 2.5.6.54046) that changed the rendering of the A/G radar, is practically impossible to capture ground units. Model situation, for the first case, I borrow a screenshot from a colleague diditopgun https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=284442 from his bug report. A total of 9 T-80U tanks, in a column formation of three pieces. After the update with the same parameters of the A/G radar setting (EXP 3) distance of approx. 5-6 nm, I do not see either a normal T-80U unit or a static unit(Persian Gulf map). Just nothing, see screenshot.

 

Screenshot from bug report diditopgun

My screenshot

Track https://drive.google.com/file/d/1geFvvlRGikYLVcr8z7iXI1J5utY7fo2G/view?usp=sharing

 

 

I did a second test with a larger concentration of units, the results are really very bad. Some reflections are there but they are quite slight. It also seems that some units are not captured at all. The test included columns of 10 vehicles BRDM-2, T-72B, BMP-2, BTR-80, Smerch, ZSU-23-4 Shilka, Ural-432031 Armored, Kamaz 43101, SA-13, SA-15, SA-19, SA-8. The attached track shows the situation. I changed among others and contrast to try to demonstrate the ability zahycení goals and their reflection / contrast on the radar.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xxHrymmbkYuv5FVnMi6QcF3qKRqMzO9-/view?usp=sharing Track

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d_PBWMMUgKzBuXaOXGDhX8RaY_a8XEIp/view?usp=sharing Mission file

 

Screenshot from test

Edited September 8, 2020 by Martin2487

[dorianR666]

your post seems to imply three screenshots are attached, but only one is

[Martin2487]

I see three screenshots. I use to insert a screenshots https://ctrlv.cz/en. I hope this doesn't cause a problem. You really do not see the screenshots?

[dorianR666]

interesting

 

 

here is what i see (firefox 80.0.1)

[Martin2487]

I fixed the links to the screenshots on imgur.com. I hope they are already visible to you.:)

[dorianR666]

yes it works now :thumbup:

[GumidekCZ]

Screenshot from that mission I send to Martin2487. Only Osa and Tor columns was able to detect.

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by GumidekCZ

[BIGNEWY]

We are making more progress, this is from a dev build.

 

I have marked the thread W.I.P you should see changes in future builds.

 

Thanks

[Harker]

EDIT: False report. The problem was caused by a mod in Saved Games\Mods\tech, that added the Topol missile vehicle to the game. I am unaware of why a mod in Saved Games causes problems with vanilla units and the AG radar, but that was the problem.

 

I ran a test and it seems that it's worse than the previous build. Most vehicles are not visible at all on the AG radar, even those that were visible before. I placed a lot of different vehicles on the tarmac and saw almost none of them. See attached screenshots and track.

 

 

2.5.6.55363 Open Beta, PG map.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Harker
User error/Unofficial mod

[BIGNEWY]

I will check with the team on the status of the new merges for this.

This is what I see in our dev build

[Martin2487]

@Harker It is interesting. I can say that it is much better than when I wrote a bug report. I am able to detect 1 tank, which was completely impossible before (at the time when the A / G radar with exp modes came out, but after the update it was not possible). I'll look at the mission I gave Harker. So far, I tried to put 5 pieces of 2S19 Msta on the asphalt, which I was able to detect without any problems. I will try to gradually test the other units in your mission.

 

@BIGNEWY Thanks for the pictures, it looks amazing.

[Martin2487]

I have similar results as BIGNEWY The only difference I notice is that BIGNEWY has a slightly sharper image on his radar. At least that's how it seems to me. I attach my screenshots. I don't have as bad results as Harker.

 

@Harker try to do the usual procedure (repair and cleanup DCS) and test it again.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by Martin2487

[BIGNEWY]

@Harker

 

Maybe worth doing a cleanup and repair or verify for steam, and removing all unofficial mods.

 

thanks

[Harker]

I have similar results as BIGNEWY The only difference I notice is that BIGNEWY has a slightly sharper image on his radar. At least that's how it seems to me. I attach my screenshots. I don't have as bad results as Harker.

 

 

 

@Harker try to do the usual procedure (repair and cleanup DCS) and test it again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks very much for taking the time to test! I went through repair and cleanup, that didn't work. I started removing mods from the Saved Games folder, until I narrowed down the issue to a specific mod that added the Topol missile. Removing it solved the problem.

 

Strange, since I don't see how it can affect vanilla units or the AG radar code, but there it is.

 

Apologies for wasting everyone's time with this.

[Harker]

@Harker

 

Maybe worth doing a cleanup and repair or verify for steam, and removing all unofficial mods.

 

thanks

It was a mod in Saved Games\Mods\tech. I removed it and the issue was fixed. I don't know how it could mess up the vanilla units or the AG radar, it only added a vehicle. It's strange, since the vehicle in question was not in the mission, it only contained vanilla units.

 

But it was a mod indeed, not a bug, so sorry for the false report.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Harker

[LastRifleRound]

I have similar results as BIGNEWY The only difference I notice is that BIGNEWY has a slightly sharper image on his radar. At least that's how it seems to me. I attach my screenshots. I don't have as bad results as Harker.

 

@Harker try to do the usual procedure (repair and cleanup DCS) and test it again.

 

 

 

I think his image is sharper because he is closer and more off-angle