Credit where credit is due.

[NineLine]

Actually taking into account the OP, most everything here is OT if we want to be nitpicky.

 

Please try and play nice, share your own opinion, no need to trash others, etc... you guys all know better.

[Fri13]

Actually taking into account the OP, most everything here is OT if we want to be nitpicky.

 

Isn't the OP talking about joystick input profiles and adjustments, to change the method how to fly Gazelle, regardless he know nothing about how correct its flight modeling is?

 

Doesn't he clearly state that he was wrong previously (I don't know about his earlier statements, claims or anything, I don't really care to go searching them) but is now happy to have excellent experience to get to fly through the new map?

 

Isn't here the OP topics that he is raising:

and thought it was quite a poor helo within the DCS world.

 

I WAS WRONG

Example, why he thought it was "poor helo within the DCS" and why he was wrong?

Isn't it our right to share our opinions about that similar case?

 

Now is the FM realistic, honestly I’ve no idea, I’ve never flown in a gazelle, but I do see some real world pilots including one with a fair few 1000 hrs of the airframe, stating that actually it is, and I must say with the axis settings I put in from the YouTube vid, damn it flew amazingly well.

 

Now, does he make the classical "real pilots [authority] say it, so it must be so" argument in that?

He states that he has no idea about FM being realistic or not, but he feels that "it flew amazingly well", so isn't it valid to raise a question that how can he say what is "amazingly well" flying modeling then? Get the logic?

 

Controversial I know, and honestly I’m as surprised as anyone else, but damn once you get your hardware dialled in correctly, this module is in a league of its own. I can’t wait for the Kiowa.

 

Again the OP says something about the flight modeling and inputs. Here is the claim he made, important to everyone understand: "once you get your hardware dialled in correctly,". What does that mean?

Does it mean that regardless the flight model status or correctness, it is always just up to plyer to "dial in" the "correct" profile for the hardware?

As we are talking about the axis, not about buttons, or at least I don't recall anyone else to ever issue any statements about button errors same manner at all, then it is doing about the flight modeling relative to the joystick/throttle/pedals input scale.

 

So the first question that comes up to mind is, what is the OP to do when the new flight model gets to the Gazelle and changes everything that he so praises now by adjusting his controls?

If we quote one of the test players of the Gazelle, they directly say that "Kiowa Warrior flies nothing like Gazelle".

And if we follow the claim (hearsay) that Polychop has made, that best module at the moment to learn to fly Kiowa Warrior is to learn to fly Gazelle in this current form and state. Then what does it all mean?

 

Please try and play nice, share your own opinion, no need to trash others, etc... you guys all know better.

 

Is it off-topic to discuss about the subjects that the OP raises in his own post, without going to personal attacks and insults that some people here do?

 

As Polychop has itself stated, current Gazelle FM is incorrect and will be corrected in the future. Then how can anyone get angry about someone state that Gazelle FM is incorrect in the current form?

If someone believes that Gazelle is correct as is (or requires just "little tweaks") then what does it say about them in the future if the Gazelle is to get completely different behavior? If they do not then start making bug reports about "incorrect Gazelle behavior" they are agreeing with everyone who say that Gazelle is currently incorrect and needs fixing (that is coming) and they simply are disagreeing with future themselves.

 

What should OP do in the future?

Isn't it open for discussion to ask from the OP that what he thinks about possibility to changing his opinion in the future?

 

Asking politely for the reasoning and logic can not be violation of the forum rules, and cause for personal attacks.

[NineLine]

Basically this.

 

He is happy with how it flies now.

 

Its no ones responsibility to convince him otherwise.

 

If you have proof and facts that there are issues with the FM, then make the proper bug reports with all needed information.

 

His enjoyment of the Gazelle doesn't impact your experience, nor should yours impact his.

 

You are not responsible to prove his experiences wrong. Its ok to have a thread where someone is happy with the module without you telling him he is wrong. If he is wrong, again, bug thread.

 

Thanks.

[ngreenaway]

Thank you, 9L, this thread has been stuck in "how dare you enjoy what i dont like" mode for too long and the haranguing does little good for anyone

 

Initially i couldn't stand the gaz, even tho i wanted to like it. As i learned to tune the axes, it gradually became one of my favorite airframes and certainly one of the most fun to fly ones

[MAXsenna]

Basically this.

 

He is happy with how it flies now.

 

Its no ones responsibility to convince him otherwise.

 

If you have proof and facts that there are issues with the FM, then make the proper bug reports with all needed information.

 

His enjoyment of the Gazelle doesn't impact your experience, nor should yours impact his.

 

You are not responsible to prove his experiences wrong. Its ok to have a thread where someone is happy with the module without you telling him he is wrong. If he is wrong, again, bug thread.

 

Thanks.

Thank you Nineline!

 

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[Fri13]

Basically this.

 

He is happy with how it flies now.

 

If someone is happy for something, that is great.

But it doesn't allow forum members to start personal attacks against someone who asks for the reasons of the happiness of someone who is saying "I am so happy now".

 

There is no reason whatsoever for anyone to start making personal attacks, with pictures, sarcasm or just by being rude etc.

 

If the "I am happy" person say "I don't know anything about this problem" then is it wrong to tell him that what is that suppose to be, and that his happiness might change as the studio making the product has stated that the module is broken and will get major changes in the future?

 

If all are happy for how something flies now, there is then no requirement for any discussions about any changes, problems or errors because there is always someone who is happy for whatever reason, and any information is then a threat to that happiness and so on should be disallowed, even in the bug sections.

 

If I am happy to fly Gazelle at 7% saturation in X and Y axis, as you don't need anymore to perform all the maneuvers with it and it is the correct way to fly it. So no one has any rights or permissions to say nothing otherwise.

 

There were happy people when Gazelle got out. People argued and changes were made. It made some people unhappy and some people happy.

Then again same thing repeated, some other people became happy, some got unhappy.

Now the same thing is about to repeat, major overhaul is coming and some people are unhappy for it and wants the current situation stay as is because they are happy about it.

So no one can say anything to those who are happy.

 

We Happy Few....

[NineLine]

So lets look at just this thread, not the Gazelle or any issues with it.

 

The OP posted once in this thread, just once.

 

The rest of the thread is others trying to debate his opinion, his opinion was enjoyment of the module.

 

That doesn't make the Gazelle bug free, but it doesn't mean we need to have ANOTHER debate about it.

 

All you can personally do is post a bug report, then its up to Polychop to address it. No campaigning needed, no changing hearts and minds... none of that.

 

Thanks

[Fri13]

So lets look at just this thread, not the Gazelle or any issues with it.

The OP posted once in this thread, just once.

 

That sounds as a troll thread then.

 

Enters to forum, starts a thread with a very controversial topic, and then moves silently away to enjoy from the people argue among themselves without anything from the OP anymore.

 

The rest of the thread is others trying to debate his opinion, his opinion was enjoyment of the module.

 

Everyone else got trolled. Nothing else. Even moderators likely got trolled, wasted time to try to manage again one thread where people go personal because they love to insult others.

 

That doesn't make the Gazelle bug free, but it doesn't mean we need to have ANOTHER debate about it.

 

No, we do not need troll threads where some people go to full personal insults because they are unhappy that Gazelle is going to get a major overhaul to everything that some people is "[correct as is]" and it will not be as it is now.

 

All you can personally do is post a bug report, then its up to Polychop to address it. No campaigning needed, no changing hearts and minds... none of that.

 

Thanks

 

What is really the worth to do so, when it is well known that Polychop is going to scrap the current flight model and input system and start from scratch to develop a properly working, totally different kind system for the Gazelle after the Kiowa Warrior is done, using the methods and tools that they made just for the Kiowa Warrior, so they can fix all the problems?

 

There is no reason to make bug reports for a current code that is not to be there to check against for. It is like someone would start now to make bug reports against DCS World 1.2.x. Totally useless effort, even starting a threads to tell happiness about how great and cool the 1.2.x version is.

 

Only thing that can be done is to discuss about the new methods and ways what to expect from the Gazelle, with only information there is, is from the status of the Kiowa Warrior.

What Kiowa Warrior will be presenting, is what the Gazelle should be receiving.

 

Thread that can be deleted completely as anything it has is nothing more than trouble to everyone. Right?

[NineLine]

Please stop now. Its too much now. Thanks.

[Adam]

Thats why the Gaz was my first recommendation to adam , over the other helos. Theyre each unique and have their own strengths, but the gazelle is fun in ways the others aren't...especially when high-speed buzzing thru iranian villages at below rooftop level :)

 

My only criticism of it is is doesn't work "out of the box" and for a long time i found it hardly playable, but once you tune the settings just right, its a blast

Adam, if you enjoyed the ah-6, youre gonna love the gazelle. Get it next sale

 

Well, after reading the passionate replies I've seen back and forth since posting - I'm having second thoughts.... about waiting that long now that is. ;)

 

While at this stage I still plan on getting it next sale, with all the controversies spoken about this bird - it seems to have brought in the most debated love/hate debates that I've seen, and I'm so tempted to just pull the trigger now and not wait so I can see what all the fuss is about. :book:

 

One question - does it have the Mistral anti-aircraft missile available to use yet, and is it capable of transporting CTLD cargo?

After all, who knows how far away the Kiowa is and this sounds like it would fill the waiting gap.

[Gizmokev]

Go 9 line....... at last....finally......phew.

 

@Adam if you want any advice give shout......

Edited October 9, 2020 by Gizmokev

[swatstar98]

Yes, the mistral version is in and working

[Extranajero]

Well, after reading the passionate replies I've seen back and forth since posting - I'm having second thoughts.... about waiting that long now that is. ;)

 

 

 

Buy the Gazelle, set up the controls as mentioned in Casmo's video and I guarantee you will have an excellent time. Really.

[Adam]

@Adam if you want any advice give shout......

 

Thanks Gizmokev,

 

Just wondering on it's capabilities at the moment.

 

Does it have the Mistral anti-aircraft missile available to use?

 

Is it capable of transporting cargo?

 

Is the sniper available?

 

Does it have significant speed advantage over the Huey? (What is it's cruise TAS)?

 

I've already got the Huey now which I'm loving off-server just mucking about, and flying by the seat of my pants, so that 'need' is already met.

 

To buy the Gazelle I'm trying to justify it by what I can do with online servers and whether it's going to give me an edge over the Huey. (After all, the Huey was purchased for a different reason - offline 'mucking around' but think with the servers I fly on I'm going to need something a bit more capable than the UH-1 in order to survive). :)

[ngreenaway]

I cant think of a more polarizing module, tho harrier and f16 come close

 

I wont say that either side is entirely right or wrong, it largely comes down to your play style and what you want out of dcs. "Good" is a highly subjective thing

 

Thats partly why i said if you like the other light helo, ull likely enjoy this one

 

As for individual systems, i cant remember. Flight time is kinda hard to come by lately, and im trying to work my way thru all the a10 and mi8 DLCs . If i wanna just blow off some steam, i have a mission with a carrier off lebanon that i use the gazelle to blast some insurgent go-fast boats, escort some hueys to an airfield, fly up and down some valleys at treetop level to take out some bmps and shilkas and then mosey back to the carrier. Its fun...at some point ill make my way back to learning the gaz as well as i have the shark

[Extranajero]

To answer your questions

 

1 Yes

2 Dunno, for the same reason I don't have a copy of Bus Simulator :D

3 No

4 No

 

You can fly a version with 4 HOT wire guided AT missiles and a CCD\FLIR camera

or :-

A version with 20mm cannon and rockets with CCD camera only

or:-

A version with 4 Mistrals ( and maybe a camera ? not sure ) - laugh as you shoot down Goose Maverick in his F-22

or:-

A door mounted Minigun armed version which isn't any use whatsoever

[MAXsenna]

The Gazelle is a kinder egg. 3in1.

No cargo, but is actually simulated in the free Larkin campaign, which is a pretty cool campaign anyway. Supports all choppers, but the Ka-50.

In that SAR MP server, (Can't remember the name), the same three as well, so you can rescue people with the Gazelle.

Shooting HOTs using two joysticks while flying is a real blast!

 

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[Extranajero]

Shooting HOTs using two joysticks while flying is a real blast!

 

Guess which Gazelle fan bought a real TOW controller for his pit ? ;)

 

OK, it's from a Lynx, but it's fairly similar...

[MAXsenna]

Guess which Gazelle fan bought a real TOW controller for his pit ? ;)

 

OK, it's from a Lynx, but it's fairly similar...

Whoa! I'm not envious at all... NOT!

I just bought some magnetic sensors from rel4y. I have an old CH stick (close to 30 years actually), that looks just like the stick in the Gazelle, that I'm gonna rebuild and put into a button box for this purpose. I might even add a screen!

 

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[Extranajero]

Join the Low Level Hell Discord and find me on there, I'm working on a 3D printed NADIR too

[MAXsenna]

Cool, thanks!

 

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[ngreenaway]

Join the Low Level Hell Discord and find me on there, I'm working on a 3D printed NADIR too

 

Yea, i was gonna suggest LLH as well. Blacksharkden i assume is another good one, both have plenty of folks who can help adam get the most outta any chopper he ends up with

[Adam]

To answer your questions

 

1 Yes

2 Dunno, for the same reason I don't have a copy of Bus Simulator :D

3 No

4 No

 

You can fly a version with 4 HOT wire guided AT missiles and a CCD\FLIR camera

or :-

A version with 20mm cannon and rockets with CCD camera only

or:-

A version with 4 Mistrals ( and maybe a camera ? not sure ) - laugh as you shoot down Goose Maverick in his F-22

or:-

A door mounted Minigun armed version which isn't any use whatsoever

 

 

Aaah - OK. Going to be slightly hard to justify it as a out-of-sale purchase then for what I'm considering for online use when I already have the Huey.

 

Darn.

 

I'll keep the Gazelle purchase for a sale day for more offline fun, and hang out for the Hind or Kiowa for online MP stuff.

[ngreenaway]

FWIW, i never paid full price for a module- just got a couple each sale till there werent anymore. some i dont fly often, but none do i regret

 

its worth waiting to the next sale and then getting the rest of the helos

[MAXsenna]

Wait for Santa. Will probably be a Christmas sale. I had the Ka-50 and the Hip, but got Gazelle and Huey in a helicopter bundle sale last spring think. All four for 70 bucks.

 

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