Glide Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Fly's wonderfully! There seems to be some terrain avoidance noise going on, as I kept getting pull up indicators on the MFD's when I was clearly above limits. I know this is under development. Nice range on the fuel tank. I got a nice long flight in without refueling. Landing was sloppy on my part but no flashing lights. :thumbup: Looking forward to terrain following radar so I can get my night time NOE thrills. :alien: Thanks for a wonderful sim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Don’t think we’ll see TFR. Not in the bird being modeled. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBackJack Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) No lantirn nav pod but 16's did get an altitude map(Digital Terrain System) that kind of made the lantirn nav pod obsolescent, in addition to offering terrain and obstacle avoidance cues and passive bomb ranging like the A-10. Edited August 13, 2020 by DrBackJack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Yeah, it's unbelievable for me that there will be no TFR because of version obsesion autism. Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpool Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Yeah, it's unbelievable for me that there will be no TFR because of version obsesion autism. Well .. the TFR was available for a different block but discontinued for the Viper altogether .. so if you want a modern Viper it's quite clear why you can't have the TFR and FLIR. Lincoln said: “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." Do not expect a reply to any questions, 30.06.2021 - Silenced by Nineline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 I agree, the block 50 with Lantirn was a common setup. I can't believe the Litening pod is an upgrade without those functions. That's why you model the old versions that are fun to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 The Taxi and Takeoff Training Mission is a lot of fun. After takeoff, explore the map. There's a lot going on. I rode up beside a Reaper drone yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4y30n Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 That's why you model the old versions that are fun to fly. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Well .. the TFR was available for a different block but discontinued for the Viper altogether .. so if you want a modern Viper it's quite clear why you can't have the TFR and FLIR. Who said I want a modern Viper or who said I care what version it is? Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Who said I want a modern Viper or who said I care what version it is? Because you are discussing the DCS: F-16 Viper module here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Because you are discussing the DCS: F-16 Viper module here? Specifically the missed TFR. Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Specifically the missed TFR. I don't know much about all that, but you are saying, the more modern Viper (without a TFR), that deadpool is refering to, is not what DCS: F-16 is supposed to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I don't know much about all that, but you are saying, the more modern Viper (without a TFR), that deadpool is refering to, is not what DCS: F-16 is supposed to be? DCS has this silly idea that they should make each plane an exact replica* of an existing real one, version 1.2345 block 6.7890, license plate zxcvb, even if that means for example, not including such a great feature as the TFR. Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 The landing missions are both excellent. I nailed them first try, but I had been practicing in the F/A-18 recently. Good reminder that landing weight is key to success. The up front controls mission was excellent as well. Best I have seen. And, you are left with a jet that has unlimited fuel. (hair on fire). Note to self, jettison stores and fuel before landing. I clipped the power lines at the threshold and came off the runway in one piece. The jet felt like a tonne of bricks on approach. On the plus side, I had a chance to recon my first mission builder setup. Next: make stuff go boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I don't think that striving for being exact in what is simulated is a silly idea. But I also like to have options. So if our Viper variant was technically capable of employing the TFR, I am all for it to include it. I totally get the cool-factor, but the real question is: does our Viper variant have the necessary hard-and software to use the TFR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 DCS has this silly idea that they should make each plane an exact replica* of an existing real one, version 1.2345 block 6.7890, license plate zxcvb, even if that means for example, not including such a great feature as the TFR. I am not sure what brought them to the current roadmap. TFR autopilot functions have been modeled in many flight sim games in the past. EF-2000 had a fun one, and that plane hadn't even been built when that game came out. I say leave the current tech to MS 2020 where vendors like to showcase their logos. Model old tech that is fun to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 I don't think that striving for being exact in what is simulated is a silly idea. But I also like to have options. So if our Viper variant was technically capable of employing the TFR, I am all for it to include it. I totally get the cool-factor, but the real question is: does our Viper variant have the necessary hard-and software to use the TFR? Yes, the Block 50 had it with the Lantirn, but who knows with the new pod? And who cares? Model it just like the Lantirn and call it Litening. Or just model Block 50 without the Litening upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBackJack Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I don't think that striving for being exact in what is simulated is a silly idea. But I also like to have options. So if our Viper variant was technically capable of employing the TFR, I am all for it to include it. I agree with this statement. With that said though, our viper should have the digital terrain system which offers coupled autopilot terrain following just like the lantirn pod. The only thing missing in that case is the flir nav camera... which was made obsolescent by nvgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 I agree with this statement. With that said though, our viper should have the digital terrain system which offers coupled autopilot terrain following just like the lantirn pod. The only thing missing in that case is the flir nav camera... which was made obsolescent by nvgs. I disagree on the NVG's. You can fly an entire night mission with just FLIR overlaid on the HUD. NVG''s are useful for scanning around, but not required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glide Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 Nice article on the Lantirn: http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmiefel Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 DCS has this silly idea that they should make each plane an exact replica* of an existing real one, version 1.2345 block 6.7890, license plate zxcvb, even if that means for example, not including such a great feature as the TFR. I don't get what's so "silly" about the attempt to replicate what one has the necessary data for and not having to guestimate how something should work or even how users would like to have it to work. I very much like the approach ED is following in DCS to get as close as the real thing and make study level kind of simulated aircraft. If one just wants to have shiny models that just look like the real ones and somehow behave like an airplane plus have all the fancy stuff on board for easy kills then maybe there are other common titles out there? Primary for DCS and other flightsims: i9 12900K@default OC on MSI Z790 Tomahawk (MS-7D91) | 64 GB DDR5-5600 | Asus TUF RTX3090 Gaming OC | 1x 38"@3840x1600 | 1x 27"@2560x1440 | Windows10Pro64 Spoiler Secondary: i7 11700k@5.1GHz on MSI Z590 Gaming Force MB| 64 GB DDR4-3200 | PowerColor RX6900XTU Red Devil | 1x 32"@2560*1440 + 1x24"@1980*1200 | Windows10Pro64 Backup: i7 6700K@4.8GHz | 64 GB DDR4-2400 | PowerColor RX5700XT Red Devil | SSD-500/1000GB | 1x49" 32:9 Asus X49VQ 3840x1080 | Windows10Pro64 Flightsim Input Devices: VPC: ACE2 Rudder / WarBRD Base / T-50CM2 Base with 50mm ext. / Alpha-R, Mongoos T-50CM, WarBRD and VFX Grip / T-50CM3 Throttle | VPC Sharka-50 + #2 Controle Panel | TM Cougar MFD-Frames| Rift S - Secondary: TM HOTAS WARTHOG/Cougar Throttle+Stick, F-18-Grip | TM TPR Rudder | DelanClip/PS3-CAM IR-Tracker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Hi! I disagree on the NVG's. You can fly an entire night mission with just FLIR overlaid on the HUD. NVG''s are useful for scanning around, but not required. Yep. But what DrBackJack said is correct. NVGs made FLIR obsolete. FLIR is heavy device requiring specific procedures, maintenance, cost a lot, allow to see only forwards ... etc ... NVG technology made the entire FLIR pod completely useless. Regards. ASUSTeK ROG MAXIMUS X HERO / Intel Core i5-8600K (4.6 GHz) / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE 12GB / 32GB DDR4 Ballistix Elite 3200 MHz / Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB / Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Platinum / Windows 10 Home 64-bit / HOTAS Cougar FSSB R1 (Warthog grip) / SIMPED / MFD Cougar / ViperGear ICP / SimShaker JetPad / Track IR 5 / Curved LED 27'' Monitor 1080p Samsung C27F396 / HP Reverb G2 VR Headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) If one just wants to have shiny models that just look like the real ones and somehow behave like an airplane plus have all the fancy stuff on board for easy kills then maybe there are other common titles out there? :doh: That's almost the opposite of what I said. Edited August 14, 2020 by stormridersp Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Hi! Yep. But what DrBackJack said is correct. NVGs made FLIR obsolete. FLIR is heavy device requiring specific procedures, maintenance, cost a lot, allow to see only forwards ... etc ... NVG technology made the entire FLIR pod completely useless. Regards. What?! Do you understand the difference between FLIR and NVG? Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) What?! Do you understand the difference between FLIR and NVG? Well ... I am "using" both of them (I am saying FLIR but I should say ENVS, however, I do not use EVNS for flight but only for ground ops). ... so I may have a little idea about the difference in term of use for navigation and night ops. But maybe I am missing something (?) It is true that FLIR is allowing a different vision (in IR spectrum), but for navigation purpose, it is roughly the same except in night level 4-5 where FLIR may be more efficient in some ways except that it doesn't allow scanning. So for NOE flight by night, NVGs is for sure my preference. Now, there is also the the PNVS of the AH-64 allowing FLIR image in monocle ... but we are speaking about something not existing on F-16. And for C3ISTAR mission, of cource, a Wescam with FLIR channel will do the job where a pilot with NVGs and "eyeballs MkI" can do nothing. Of course, we are not talking about the same suff and differences between FLIR and NVG are fundamental here. So my conclusion is: If I were an F-16 pilot, for low level night ops and furthermore CAS type ops, I prefer by far an F-16 blk 50 with NVGs rather than F-16 blk 40 equipped with WARHUD an the LANTIRN suite. Edited August 14, 2020 by Dee-Jay ASUSTeK ROG MAXIMUS X HERO / Intel Core i5-8600K (4.6 GHz) / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE 12GB / 32GB DDR4 Ballistix Elite 3200 MHz / Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB / Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Platinum / Windows 10 Home 64-bit / HOTAS Cougar FSSB R1 (Warthog grip) / SIMPED / MFD Cougar / ViperGear ICP / SimShaker JetPad / Track IR 5 / Curved LED 27'' Monitor 1080p Samsung C27F396 / HP Reverb G2 VR Headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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