ZoneRanger Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 After a hard year, I finally wanted to start playing again, and I come up with this problem. It happened before but I thought it was caused by the NS430 module (which I'm not using this time) So what happens is, I open the communication menu the first time and it looks normal, I press F11 to go to parent, F8 for ground crew, do their thing, but then I open the communication menu a second time, and it's like this (in picture) It's all overlapped and No F-keys work except for F1 (abort takeoff request takeoff ) and F11 and F12, which simply closes it. But the terrible thing is, when it's open or closed, no other F Keys do anything! I can't get outer views, I can't navigate the menu. I have found a few google searches for people who have this problem but can't find a solution. Please help! I really would love to play today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Tried a repair ? 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Tried a repair ? Thanks for the fast reply, yes I did quite a few times. This also is a 3rd install in which I think I had this problem. I said I hadn't played in a year... I believe I had this problem once, and did a clean install and it still happened. And this is probably my 3rd install. It may be a scaling issue, I'm going to try that, but it's so weird. It's really a fresh install, no mods, I'm literally setting up my controllers still. Edited July 28, 2020 by ZoneRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 It seems to have a couple different modes of failure after doing some testing. In 4 tries just now, I'm able to pull up the menu, but the corresponding F keys DO cycle views, but don't engage menu options. F11 and F12 does nothing. But I am able to click the menu items and there is no overlap. But now it's back to overlap as I described the first time, and views don't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Hmmm... have you considered using VoiceAttack and Vaicom Pro ? These allow natural comms and do away with the menus altogether . 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Those are great suggestions! I didn't back then, but I have a much lighter setup now and not so stressed, I could take the time to try them. I found out something depressing... it was that darn NS 430 module doing it again. I thought it was off by default, but I looked in the menu and it was checked for all planes. I turned it off and the menu is working again :( I wonder if anyone else has this problem with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) @ZoneRanger: I tried to reproduce the bug, but I can't. By the way, once you hit F8 and the weapons menu appears, does the radio menu disappear? It does on my side. EDIT: I don't own the NS430, that is why I cannot reproduce. EDIT2: you're not alone in this. Which aircraft do you see this bug in? Edited July 28, 2020 by Flappie Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 @ZoneRanger: I tried to reproduce the bug, but I can't. By the way, once you hit F8 and the weapons menu appears, does the radio menu disappear? It does on my side. EDIT: I don't own the NS430, that is why I cannot reproduce. Before I turned off the NS430, I was sitting here trying to understand the problem by trying the menu in all kinds of different ways, I literally wasn't able to ever access the weapons menu ever again. I just turned it back on for the spitfire (the one I was using - but it bugs every plane) and I still can't even get to the weapon menu anymore. I'll keep trying just for info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 @ZoneRanger: I tried to reproduce the bug, but I can't. By the way, once you hit F8 and the weapons menu appears, does the radio menu disappear? It does on my side. EDIT: I don't own the NS430, that is why I cannot reproduce. EDIT2: you're not alone in this. Which aircraft do you see this bug in? Well I haven't sat here and tested every plane, but in the past I actually did! It was every plane except like 3, but I can't remember which ones were immune. Just now I did Spitfire, F-86, MiG-15, F-15, FW-190A8 and Su-25(dont remember variant) and they all were doing it. You could say that probably a majority of them have the issue. I will try to find the ones that didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Thanks for the link I saw in your reply to someone else having the issue. I'm using Win10 Home Edition. Very well maintained, no registry modding, big on keeping it basic. My event viewer is very clean, and drivers all up to date and sfc and disk checking software says everything has been great... that's not to say there wasn't an error somewhere. I'm trying some repairs right now, I think you pointed me in a good direction. So strange. It could be that on that person's "other rig" he installed ns430 last or something. I'm doing some reinstall of files and seeing if I can improve this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 30, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 30, 2020 Please try my crash advice below, This will ensure a cleanup and repair / verify and produce a new saved games dcs folder. We can rule out any config, settings or mod issues then. If you still see the issue please attach a short track and your dcs log so we can look for clues. I also notice you are using easy comms, try unticking easy communications and see if it helps thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 Sorry to reply again, but I just got curious... Does everyone have problems with the NS430 add on? Like is it unusable? Or is it something just with some people's setups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 Please try my crash advice below, This will ensure a cleanup and repair / verify and produce a new saved games dcs folder. We can rule out any config, settings or mod issues then. If you still see the issue please attach a short track and your dcs log so we can look for clues. I also notice you are using easy comms, try unticking easy communications and see if it helps thank you Roger that, sorry I didn't see this reply. It may take me a short bit to get it, but I will have it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) Okay here's two tracks. #1 Spitfire problem type 1, trying to enter commands in the menu activate the view changes. (describing since you can't see mouse or keypresses) and I wanted to capture the overlapping menu. I can click on some items, but not all. F1 does NOT cancel/request landing/takeoff. #2 F-86 problem type 2, Simpler, no overlap, I am able to click items. F keys do nothing. #3 Edit I got it! Spitfire problem type 3 (the worst, with all problems), menu didn't work, views don't work, clicking menu items doesn't work. But there was no overlapping. Truth be told I reactivated NS430 for these planes and all seemed great for about 3 trials, then it started all over again. But it was working well a couple of times, but now it's embedded itself somehow even after restart. Note: I was about to send 1 and 2 tracks, and meant to send .log, but I accidentally played again with the NS430 off, and it overwrote the log. So I just now turned on the NS430 and happened to capture error type 3 and a log of it.Spitfire problem type 1.trkf86 problem type 2.trkSpitfire problem type 3.trkdcs.log Edited July 31, 2020 by ZoneRanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 Just a small update... I just recently started using Thrustmaster Target, and I can't be certain if that's the cause, but I'm starting to see the same behavior. I'd almost say I was certain of it, but I have to try more modules. Could it be that DCS doesn't like 'bootstrappings' and maybe NS-430 acts as a bootstrap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Hi ZoneRanger, I've just peeked at yor log file. Here's the error: 2020-07-31 00:45:08.790 INFO Dispatcher: loadMission Done: Сontrol passed to the player 2020-07-31 00:45:17.952 ERROR WRADIO: CommandDialogsPanel: RadioCommandDialogsPanel.selectMenuItem error [string "Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/RadioCommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:374: attempt to call method 'is_on' (a nil value) stack traceback: [C]: in function 'is_on' [string "Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/RadioCommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:374: in function 'getRecepientState' [string "Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/RadioCommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:1155: in function 'checkRecepients' [string "Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/RadioCommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:1164: in function 'getRecepientsState' [string "Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/Config/Common/JTAC.lua"]:142: in function 'builder' [string "Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/Config/FighterWWII.lua"]:290: in function 'getSubmenu' [string "./Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/CommandMenu.lua"]:500: in function 'updateMenu' [string "./Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/CommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:87: in function 'openDialog_' [string "./Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/CommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:104: in function 'switchToDialog_' [string "./Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/CommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:584: in function 'switchToDialog' [string "./Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/CommandDialog.lua"]:147: in function 'outputSymbol' [string "./Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/CommandMenu.lua"]:694: in function 'handler' [string "./Scripts/Common/fsm.lua"]:101: in function 'onSymbol' [string "./Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/CommandMenu.lua"]:544: in function 'selectMenuItem' [string "./Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/CommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:518: in function 'selectMenuItem' [string "Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/RadioCommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:1709: in function <[string "Scripts/UI/RadioCommandDialogPanel/RadioCommandDialogsPanel.lua"]:1708>I'm currently looking into this RadioCommandDialogsPanel.lua script to understand what's going on. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 I have an idea. Can you please post a screenshot of your NS430 bindings ingame? Maybe you have conflincting bindings for NS430 and radio commands. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 Sorry for the late reply. Thank you so much for analyzing that... Okay, I'll post a screenshot. Oh, sorry, they don't have any bindings :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneRanger Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 Hi ZoneRanger, I've just peeked at yor log file. Here's the error: I'm currently looking into this RadioCommandDialogsPanel.lua script to understand what's going on. That does ring a bit true, it's like a flag isn't being tripped. When I open the comm menu at first, it acts normally ATC, Ground Crew, Back (or something similar) But when I go to a subtree, none of the choices work except for 'back to parent' When I go back, nothing works (sometimes request takeoff will) If I try to open the menu a second time, it's often overlapping another comm menu. and very stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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