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In my local retailer, there are plenty of nVidia cards to choose from, albeit at ridiculous prices: quality 3090s go indeed for € 2.200+
You can't buy a single ATi card: not even the 5700XT.
I managed to grab a Gigabyte 6900XT before it was no longer available (not even on pre-order), which was nice since it's the only brand I saw that uses the reference connectivity of 2x DP 1x HDMI 1x USB-C.
Since the USB-C on my motherboard didn't work with my Reverb G2, a USB-C connection on the graphics card was a mandatory requirement for me.


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EVGA has a queue system. I was on the waiting list for a little over a month. I passed over a 3090 FTW and a couple other SKUs waiting for a Kingpin. For the 3080 models I think the wait is longer tho

Oh no, regular single fan air-cooling would be near impossible in that GPU.   The "Kingpin" editions cards (built by EVGA with the famous overclocker) have usually been using quality hybrid coo

On 1/8/2021 at 12:57 PM, Pilotasso said:

I gave up upgrading, and rumours seem to support my early speculation that AMD /NVIDIA are already gearing up for next release exactly 1 year from now with much more powerful GPU's. Current GFX's are becoming too expensive for this short life span.

 

This has been typical of Nvidia since the 980 Ti. Major release every 2 years with a refresh (Ti, Supers) a year between those. 

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Shopping around: https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/p/pl?N=101582767 601359427&Order=1

 

If you're not after top end, you can find the MSI Radeon RX 6800 for below £650 (my pick), or other make from £554.39, but of course none of them are available right now.

 

Since the GPU is my next upgrade, I keep and eye on their availability, I already contacted a few manufacturer supports, no one knows when they'll have them in stock...##

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My 3090 is getting here today! Yeah me!

 

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I have data from some 2080 Ti benchmarks I kept. Just curious as to what data people are most interested in. I don't have a G2 yet but at least there's not wait for them now, so I might be able to get one within a month or so. The girlfriend doesn't know we're eating Ramen till my next paycheck 🙂

 

I usually collect stats with MSI Afterburner about FPS, 1% lows, etc

 

Memory allocation vs usage on different maps? 

 

There was a new 3060 with 12 GB or VRAM recently announced. Should be a good gaming card. 

 

I'll be sure and check out this resizable bar thing when the driver is released. 


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SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 6800 DirectX 12 21305-01-20G 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 x16 ATX Video Card £554.39

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If I was buying a GPU today I'd likely go for the 6800XT or 6900XT. The NVIDIA line up is all over the place with models being promised, cancelled, replaced, and generally just a fuster cluck of bad marketing / product development.

 

This assumes you can actually find anything to buy of course.

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1 hour ago, reece146 said:

This assumes you can actually find anything to buy of course.

 

EVGA has a queue system. I was on the waiting list for a little over a month. I passed over a 3090 FTW and a couple other SKUs waiting for a Kingpin. For the 3080 models I think the wait is longer though. I can also get you a 3% discount. Every little bit helps. There's actually a nice little community that's developed on the EVGA forums around the queue system. People are tracking notifications sent out, cards bought, etc. I was able to to get advanced notice when I was coming up in the queue so I didn't miss the email. 

 

I think Nvidia and AMD are both kicking themselves they didn't build more fabrication plants. I read somewhere that Nvidia is selling 3000 series at twice the rate of the 2000 series. To be fair, I follow the space fairly closely and I didn't see the demand until just a couple months before they were released. That's when I saw on all the various PC build forums how excited people were to upgrade after the 2000 series. By the time Nvidia, AMD, and TSMC can actually meet demand the new 4000 cards will be out.

 

Comparisons between different models are helpful but where can I get an RX 6800 for $580? I'll order one tonight. 

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Single fan cooler on the 3090RTX? That's kind of asking for trouble, I might be wrong about this and that might be the best cooler ever but I don't think I would ever buy a top tier card with a single fan cooling solution. 

 

My RTX3090 for comparison. 

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3 hours ago, Lurker said:

Single fan cooler on the 3090RTX? That's kind of asking for trouble, I might be wrong about this and that might be the best cooler ever but I don't think I would ever buy a top tier card with a single fan cooling solution. 

 

 

 
Oh no, regular single fan air-cooling would be near impossible in that GPU.
 

The "Kingpin" editions cards (built by EVGA with the famous overclocker) have usually been using quality hybrid cooling systems, with a single air-cooling fan over the full copper heatsink+heatpipes, and a quality waterblock+radiator.

https://www.evga.com/articles/01454/kingpin-3090/
 

That's pretty much the Rolls-Royce (or maybe the top Bugatti) of GPUs right there! 👌 congrats Sn8ke_iis
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2 hours ago, LucShep said:

 

 
Oh no, regular single fan air-cooling would be near impossible in that GPU.
 

The "Kingpin" editions cards (built by EVGA with the famous overclocker) have usually been using quality hybrid cooling systems, with a single air-cooling fan over the full copper heatsink+heatpipes, and a quality waterblock+radiator.

https://www.evga.com/articles/01454/kingpin-3090/
 

That's pretty much the Rolls-Royce (or maybe the top Bugatti) of GPUs right there! 👌 congrats Sn8ke_iis
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If you can justify the difference in price, £1,685 minimum in the UK, vs £529.99 for a MSI Radeon RX 6800 XT, I don't think the difference in performances is worth 99.68% in cost difference.

 

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MSI Radeon RX 6800 XT DirectX 12 Ultimate RX 6800 XT 16G 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 HDCP Ready Video Card £635.99

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Note that the MSI Radeon RX 6800 XT is not one of their TRIO serie but the AMD stock, reference card, in any case, it doesn't perform 99.68% slower than the Evga Geforce Rtx 2080 Ti Kingpin, barely 20 FPS average without Raytracing in most games, <> 34%...

 

 


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5 hours ago, Lurker said:

Didn't realize that's a watercooled solution, thanks for clarifying that LucShep. 

 

Yeah, I'm not aware of any 3090 that only has 1 cooling fan, that would be a serious design mistake. This card is actually going under a waterblock as soon as one is available. Then I can really see what she can do. 

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Thinder, 

 

People don't buy Kingpins for their performance per dollar ratio. It's a competitive overclocking card. If you just want to game you should get the 3090 FTW Ultra Hybrid. 

 

If performance per dollar is a priority a builder should get a 3060 Ti or 3070 for Nvidia and I believe the 6700x for AMD, although I'm not as familiar with their product stack. 

 

I even saw a few benchmarks where a 6900X beat a 3090 in a few games. I don't think it would beat this card if properly tuned, but given MSRP (if you can find it) is $999 that's a good buy. I always told people $1000 was the proper price point for high end cards like the 2080 Ti. That number is a big psychological threshold for many as well.

 

I could have bought 4 Playstation 5s for the cost of this, so no definitely not the best performance/dollar. It does do well in performance/watt but people who are overclocking hard don't care about power draw usually. 

 

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