lwalter Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I wanted to try an ILS landing on Kutaisi runway 26, ILS 109.75. I never got the f16 to get the localizer nor glideslope signal. The STRG CMD line above the ILS frequency on the DED never got highlighted either. Here are the all the steps I went through: - COM1 set to Kutaisi ATC 263.00 - called Kutaisi ATC for inbound. They gave me a heading to follow for 50, which I did. - I made sure ILS volume on Audio 2 panel was not OFF - on T-ILS page, I entered 109.75 as the ILS frequency and 254 for the course - on the HSI, I set course to 254 and chose PLS-NAV mode (also tried PLS-TCN but didn't work either) - When crossing Kutaisi landing course, I was at less than 5000 ft altitude and still no ILS signal caught... - Finally Kutaisi ATC contacted me "clearly for visual" and switched on the airport lights. At least I could do a "visual landing". ILS completely let me down on this one. I"m probably doing something wrong or missing a step, but I read the F16 DCS manual twice for the ILS section and couldn't find it. Any help here would be appreciated. iMac Retina 5K, 27-inch, i7 4 GHz, 32 GB RAM, AMD R9 M395X 4 GB | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | Cougar MFD | MFG Crosswind | EDTracker Pro | Realteus ForceFeel DCS World | Bf109 | Fw190 A8/D9 | P47 | P51 | Spitfire | I16 | C101 | L39 | F86F | MiG15 | MiG19 | MiG21 | FC3 | A10C | AJS37 | AV8BNA | F5 | F14 | F16 | F/A18 | M2000 | JF17 | Christen Eagle | Yak52 | SA342 | UH1H | Mi8 | Ka50 | Combined Arms | NS430 | Persian Gulf | Normandy | Channel | Syria | NTTR | WWII Assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence201 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Could you hear the ILS beacon tones? And on T-ILS page, did DED show ILS ON? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwalter Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 Could you hear the ILS beacon tones? And on T-ILS page, did DED show ILS ON? I could hear the outer and inner beacon tones. However, no morse code for the ILS station. Don't know if that's normal or not. The T-ILS page showed ILS ON. iMac Retina 5K, 27-inch, i7 4 GHz, 32 GB RAM, AMD R9 M395X 4 GB | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | Cougar MFD | MFG Crosswind | EDTracker Pro | Realteus ForceFeel DCS World | Bf109 | Fw190 A8/D9 | P47 | P51 | Spitfire | I16 | C101 | L39 | F86F | MiG15 | MiG19 | MiG21 | FC3 | A10C | AJS37 | AV8BNA | F5 | F14 | F16 | F/A18 | M2000 | JF17 | Christen Eagle | Yak52 | SA342 | UH1H | Mi8 | Ka50 | Combined Arms | NS430 | Persian Gulf | Normandy | Channel | Syria | NTTR | WWII Assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I think Kutaisi only has ILS on Runway 08 according to the charts in DCS. You can find the charts in you installation folder. drive you install DCS in:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Doc\Charts\DCS_GND_Charts.pdf To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddyspike69 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 T/R mode on Ded? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 DCS turns off most ILSs (and other radio landing aids) when it determines the wind isn't cooperative with landing in that direction. If it was on you'd at least get the identification tones from the 08 system and it would function in the back course manner for 26. For extra fun the logic for ATC runway selection and radio landing aid runway selection aren't identical so it's possible for ATC to direct you to land on a runway and the radio aid for that runway to be turned off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekSpeare Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Here's my go-to ILS mission for Senaki.ILS Practice - Senaki-Kolkhi.miz Derek "BoxxMann" Speare derekspearedesigns.com 25,000+ Gaming Enthusiasts Trust DSD Components to Perform! i7-11700k 4.9g | RTX3080ti (finally!)| 64gb Ram | 2TB NVME PCIE4| Reverb G1 | CH Pro Throt/Fighterstick Pro | 4 DSD Boxes Falcon XT/AT/3.0/4.0 | LB2 | DCS | LOMAC Been Flight Simming Since 1988! Useful VR settings and tips for DCS HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwalter Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 DCS turns off most ILSs (and other radio landing aids) when it determines the wind isn't cooperative with landing in that direction. If it was on you'd at least get the identification tones from the 08 system and it would function in the back course manner for 26. For extra fun the logic for ATC runway selection and radio landing aid runway selection aren't identical so it's possible for ATC to direct you to land on a runway and the radio aid for that runway to be turned off. That's good to know. Thanks for your explanation! So, it means that I would have been unable to land at Kutaisi using ILS, right? Is this considered to be a general issue with DCS? I'm wondering if there are plans to fix that when DCS team will work on the ATC improvements. iMac Retina 5K, 27-inch, i7 4 GHz, 32 GB RAM, AMD R9 M395X 4 GB | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | Cougar MFD | MFG Crosswind | EDTracker Pro | Realteus ForceFeel DCS World | Bf109 | Fw190 A8/D9 | P47 | P51 | Spitfire | I16 | C101 | L39 | F86F | MiG15 | MiG19 | MiG21 | FC3 | A10C | AJS37 | AV8BNA | F5 | F14 | F16 | F/A18 | M2000 | JF17 | Christen Eagle | Yak52 | SA342 | UH1H | Mi8 | Ka50 | Combined Arms | NS430 | Persian Gulf | Normandy | Channel | Syria | NTTR | WWII Assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbies2003 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 T/R mode on Ded? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That is a TACAN thing not an ILS thing. ILS in the aircraft doesn't transmit a signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbies2003 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 That's good to know. Thanks for your explanation! So, it means that I would have been unable to land at Kutaisi using ILS, right? Is this considered to be a general issue with DCS? I'm wondering if there are plans to fix that when DCS team will work on the ATC improvements. More of a simulation of real world limitations. Not every runway you can land on will be equipped with ILS. Reference what mvsgas said above. You might have been landing on the wrong runway for an ILS approach there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 That's good to know. Thanks for your explanation! So, it means that I would have been unable to land at Kutaisi using ILS, right? Is this considered to be a general issue with DCS? I'm wondering if there are plans to fix that when DCS team will work on the ATC improvements. Yes, the ILS that you were tuned too had been turned off. Yes, ILS being turn on/off at weird times is a general issue that affects all modules. I don't know of any plans specifically. In reality when radio landing aids are on and off are based on airport-specific rules. DCS's rules for when to run various aids are a little too simplistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drPhibes Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 In reality when radio landing aids are on and off are based on airport-specific rules. Yes and no. If there is an ILS for each runway direction, an interlock (which switches off the ILS for a runway if the reciprocal runway direction is active) is an ICAO requirement for CAT II and III approaches (Annex 10, 3.1.2.7), and it is recommended for CAT I. For a runway equipped with a single ILS, the rules of operation can either be decided by the local ANSP or airport. The issue in DCS is that the logic for selecting the active runway direction is flawed/suboptimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoware Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I had some problems with ILS too. There some kind of bug with it in some airfield it seems. Try another airfield to test it. Dont forget that ILS volume knob can turn off ILS too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masspoint Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I use ILS to land in night landing mission, but I can’t use it in night free flight mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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