Eldur Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Some might remember: What happened to the 30° offset marshal radial in CASE III? It's not part of the SC manual and everyone keeps showing off flying the stack on the BRC radial instead now. Is there a reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 It's just a different type of case3 approach. iirc CV1 is the straight in, CV2 is a weird overhead thing, and CV3 is the offset one 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=4c=Nikola Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4334204&postcount=23 Do not expect fairness. The times of chivalry and fair competition are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 It's just a different type of case3 approach. iirc CV1 is the straight in, CV2 is a weird overhead thing, and CV3 is the offset one CV1 is FB and offset, CV3 is for helos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 6.4.1 Marshal Procedures 6.4.1.1 Jet/Turboprop Aircraft The primary TACAN marshal fix is the 180 radial relative to the expected final bearing at a distance of 1 mile for every 1,000 feet of altitude plus 15 miles (angels +15). The holding pattern is a left-hand, 6-minute racetrack pattern. The inbound leg shall pass over the holding fix. In no case will the base altitude be lower than 6,000 feet. From CV NATOPS MANUAL. Dated 31/07/2009 - perhaps procedures have changed since then? System spec: Intel i9 13900KF @ stock, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB GDDR6X, Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600MHz C18, Samsung 980 EVO 500 GB NVME M.2 SSD (system drive), Samsung 970 EVO 1 TB NVME M.2 SSD (games drive), Cooler Master ML360 Illusion CPU Cooler, Asus XG43UQ Monitor, Oculus Quest Pro, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) With the CV-1, the Marshal radial is almost always offset from the final bearing. 30* is very typical. The CV-2 is an overhead Marshal stack to a teardrop entry to the final bearing. It is used when airspace won’t allow a CV-1. It is not very common at all. Edit: to clarify, the CV-1 procedure graphic you may find depicts a straight-in. That is a generic description of the approach so do not interpret that to mean that that is always what happens. It almost never does. Also, the description in the post above mine is a description of a generic CV-1, not what MUST happen. Edited May 19, 2020 by G B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG-51_Sabot Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 G.B., the boat can stack you on whatever radial they want. Typically it's behind the boat. Is that correct? "There is an art … to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy https://www.cag-51.org/contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 G.B., the boat can stack you on whatever radial they want. Typically it's behind the boat. Is that correct? Yes. The most common radial for the stack is offset 30* from the final bearing reciprocal (behind the boat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huppel Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Is it possible to setup a mission with an offset radial or is it automatically chosen in DCS (and always a straight in)? And if not will this option be added later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorlima01 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Automatically chosen by marshall. and so far I've only been assigned the reciprocal of final bearing. I hope they'll soon add some random offset radials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Automatically chosen by marshall. and so far I've only been assigned the reciprocal of final bearing. I hope they'll soon add some random offset radials. Same here. Once, I think I was given a radial that was 2 deg. off FB reciprocal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USSInchon Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Maybe it's training in progress down in the CATCC and the new booter has no idea what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfzdrums Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Same here. Once, I think I was given a radial that was 2 deg. off FB reciprocal. Last night I was given a marshal radial almost 80 deg offset. :huh: I had to go back and make sure I didn't misunderstand the controller. I did not. Not sure if that is anything close to real life or not, but it made for an interesting approach anyway Lenovo k450e, Windows 10 Home, 64bit / Intel i5 4460 @ 3.20GHz / 32GB Ram / DCS running off 500GB SSD / GeForce 1060 GPU / Oculus Rift cv1 / Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS w/ Saitek combat pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorlima01 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I think 80* offset might be a little more than we bargained for. Let's see what Creepy, GB or Lex have to say about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 In theory, the offset can be any amount. Typically you’ll see 30 degrees. 20-40 is overwhelmingly the most common. 80 is aggressive but sure it can be done. There are different procedures on how to correct to final bearing depending on how misaligned the marshal radial and final bearing is. I have never seen the radials be coincident (a straight in direct from marshal). It of course can be done. But in practice it isn’t, because the dog leg geometry allows CATCC ways to be creative to fix spacing for whatever reason. (They also can control speed...For example “305, take speed 225” or “402, dirty up” prior to 8 miles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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