Kula66 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Yes, seems to work well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kula66 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The countdown timer seems to be working well in TWS-A, but what should I expect to see if I launch a second missile at the same target? Should it refresh as a new, non-flashing timer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA_Recon Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 On 12/25/2020 at 1:15 PM, BreaKKer said: The blinking TTI indicates the Phoenix has gone active on that specific TWS track. You are clear to turn, since the Phoenix is active, but the Phoenix will fall back onto the AWG-9 if the TWS track is held the entire time the Phoenix is active. I’m not sure entirely, but the AIM-54C variant will go active if a TWS track is lost. So when I fire at a TWS target, and it's solid white, with a flashing countdown - when it's flashing it's active ? I've seen it with like a 54 second countdown, surely it's not active yet. Some clarity here would be nice - thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, USA_Recon said: So when I fire at a TWS target, and it's solid white, with a flashing countdown - when it's flashing it's active ? I've seen it with like a 54 second countdown, surely it's not active yet. Some clarity here would be nice - thanks! Yes, when it starts flashing the missile is active. 1 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 12/25/2020 at 7:15 PM, BreaKKer said: I’m not sure entirely, but the AIM-54C variant will go active if a TWS track is lost. Anyone tried this? Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonFox Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Is there any difference in the tracking behavior between the AIM-54C and the A variant? F/A-18C; A-10C; F-14B; Mirage 2000C; A-4E; F-16C; Flaming Cliffs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naquaii Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, CarbonFox said: Is there any difference in the tracking behavior between the AIM-54C and the A variant? In DCS? No, they only differ in the chaff resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love_Beam Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/22/2021 at 10:14 AM, Naquaii said: In DCS? No, they only differ in the chaff resistance. what is the difference like percentage wise? if its that simple haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skysurfer Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Love_Beam said: what is the difference like percentage wise? if its that simple haha I haven't noticed any actual, quantifiable difference in my tests. The C goes for chaff like candy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 16 hours ago, Love_Beam said: what is the difference like percentage wise? if its that simple haha If the values used in chaff resistance by ED do indicate some sort of percentage, derived from that, I would say the As are about 10-20% less chaff resistant than the C. 1 Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenh0rn Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Hi Just a question, if it had been asqed/or "not this is how the things" work plz don't hate on me Situation, i was trackig a target, lunched an Aim 54 A MK60 on him in TWS A the missle seemed to guided well but i noticed the target is started to notch, so i swithced to P-STT i had a solid lock on taget but the missle went dumb(this is well before the missle shuld go active) . My question is:can i switch to P-STT if i luched the missle in TWS A? To me it is logical that a SST lock shuld be prioritised over TWS guidence commands even if it was luched in TWS but that is me... Have a nice day and sorry for my crappy "english" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
near_blind Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Greenh0rn said: Situation, i was trackig a target, lunched an Aim 54 A MK60 on him in TWS A the missle seemed to guided well but i noticed the target is started to notch, so i swithced to P-STT i had a solid lock on taget but the missle went dumb(this is well before the missle shuld go active) . My question is:can i switch to P-STT if i luched the missle in TWS A? To me it is logical that a SST lock shuld be prioritised over TWS guidence commands even if it was luched in TWS but that is me... The radar needs to be in a PD mode (TWS or PD-STT) to be able to talk to the AIM-54 while it's in flight. The radar cannot talk to an AIM-54 in pulse, so by going P-STT before the missile had received the active command from the radar (track began blinking on the TID), you trashed the missile. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenh0rn Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 So to be clear and that i got everything right. TWS-Aim 54 active lock (standard mode) TWS-PD STT i can switch and still guide the missle (in a SARH mode?) P-STT all the way in SARH (just like a big Aim 7) Because if i am right firing in either STT lock means SARH and the radar on the Aim 54 won't go active so if i lunch it in TWS and and switch to PD STT will it act like a ARH or a SARH? Thank you for the help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
near_blind Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 No problem, the AWG-9 is a bit counter intuitive compared to more modern sets. TWS - AIM-54 acts kind of like an AMRAAM. The missile flies out to the target getting updates from the radar, going active when near the target. PD-STT - AIM-54 acts like a giant Sparrow, needs illumination from the radar all the way to target. The missile will never go active in this mode. P-STT - AIM-54 receives no guidance from the AWG-9. If you shoot an AIM-54 in this mode the missile receives basic steering cues (which way to point its own antenna) and is launched active off the rail. In this mode the missile is entirely dependent on its own seeker to find targets. This only works at short range and is intended as an emergency "get this thing off my jet so I can maneuver" option. I'm not 100% sure on what the consequences for switching between TWS and PD-STT while missiles in flight are. Perhaps @IronMike knows. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, near_blind said: I'm not 100% sure on what the consequences for switching between TWS and PD-STT while missiles in flight are. Perhaps @IronMike knows. AFAIK switching radar mode when the missile is already on its way will cause the missile to stop guiding (unless it has already gone active at that point). Edited March 1, 2021 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingTaco21 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I've had a devil of a time getting tws to work. In most cases the missiles to to about 2 miles from their targets and just fall in the sea. I've thought about notching and run different scenarios and this was not a factor in most of the occurances. I watched some videos and read about the limits of the radar gimble... but I've never seen a ... I'm blanking.. I think it was called a centroid that shows up as an x and provides best heading to maintain radar picture of targets. The only thing I can think of is that I'm out of vertical alignment (different altitude from target) or the I'm overriding pitbull by holding on the targets but ... I'm not sure how this would be fixed since different missiles will have different pitbull times. Does relative speed matter ? I've often slowed because I'm afraid that I'll lose lock due to the narrowing of the cone as range decreases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesvf103 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) How about this scenario? You launch Phoenixes on 4 targets in TWS-A mode. As they are guiding, and before they go pitbull, you accidentally forget that you switched the HCU to radar cursor and as you are trying to hook a TWS target, you inadvertanlty slew the radar antenna, screwing up the TWS tracks. Yes bonehead me did this. If you realize this fast enough, switch back to TWS-A, and tracks start to reappear in the TID, will the Phoenixes in flight reacquire since there are again valid tracks, or are they lost? v6, boNes Edited May 13, 2021 by bonesvf103 "Also, I would prefer a back seater over the extra gas any day. I would have 80 pounds of flesh to eat and a pair of glasses to start a fire." --F/A-18 Hornet pilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
near_blind Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 If they don't have the TTI counter next to them they're not the tracks the AWG-9 was guiding the missiles to, and those missiles are lost. If they still have the TTI Counter and they're X'd out, then they're being extrapolated and the missiles will still guide to the estimated position before going active. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1tch Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 On 5/13/2021 at 10:53 PM, near_blind said: If they still have the TTI Counter and they're X'd out, then they're being extrapolated and the missiles will still guide to the estimated position before going active. When you say X'ed out do you mean when the X appears over the target? (Just want to be sure I understand you correctly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
near_blind Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 4 hours ago, N1tch said: When you say X'ed out do you mean when the X appears over the target? (Just want to be sure I understand you correctly). Bottom most track is the original track for a contact that has been lost and is being extrapolated, and has a missile that's currently 30 seconds until TTI. Track above it is the same contact that has been reacquired by the radar, but is too far away to be correlated onto the existing track, and thus has been assigned a new track. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey11 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 On 5/13/2021 at 3:49 PM, bonesvf103 said: How about this scenario? You launch Phoenixes on 4 targets in TWS-A mode. As they are guiding, and before they go pitbull, you accidentally forget that you switched the HCU to radar cursor and as you are trying to hook a TWS target, you inadvertanlty slew the radar antenna, screwing up the TWS tracks. Yes bonehead me did this. If you realize this fast enough, switch back to TWS-A, and tracks start to reappear in the TID, will the Phoenixes in flight reacquire since there are again valid tracks, or are they lost? v6, boNes Depending on time of flight remaining until going active, and the bandit's movement, you may still get a hit. The AWG-9 will hold tracks for quite some time and try and extrapolate the aircraft's position based upon last known good information. So long as the missile goes active, and they don't move, there is still a good probability of getting hits when they go active. If they move significantly, it'll probably miss. If it is safe to do so, it'd be worth staying nose hot until they are active (or the tracks disappear) and then turn cold. My YT Channel (DCS World, War Thunder and World of Warships) Too Many Modules to List --Unapologetically In Love With the F-14-- Anytime Baby! -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesvf103 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Thanks! v6, boNes "Also, I would prefer a back seater over the extra gas any day. I would have 80 pounds of flesh to eat and a pair of glasses to start a fire." --F/A-18 Hornet pilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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