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Making Some Progress

 

I started flight simulation about 5 months ago with x-plane 11 and have been able to fly the 172 and Cirrus fairly well. I got Corsair and Mustang aircraft because they are notoriously difficult to fly because of the torque generated by the very powerful engines but I need to sharpen my skills and reaction time to get ready for DCS flying.

 

 

 

Right now I am working the the P51 for takeoff and am having the same problems I initially had with the x -plane version:

 

 

1. First I am using a combo of the Honeycomb Alpha for Pitch and Roll, Logitech rudder pedals for Yaw, and an X52 throttle for power management and use the six buttons on the X52 stick for chase, cockpit view, pause, brakes, and gear up, and gear down. I also use a couple of buttons on the Alpha for flaps up and flaps down.

 

 

 

2. I proceed down the runway very slowly but that is difficult as the throttle gets to 100% power midway through. I carefully dance on the rudder pedals to keep on the runway. When wheels start to life I increase power and manage lift off.

 

 

 

3. I am using the solo takeoff exercise and the plane begins to roll from side to side. With some suggestions from the x-plane forum I get the speed up to 120 and begin climb out. When I had this problem on x-plane I followed a suggestion to put the flaps down on takeoff and raise them when I thought I was in control. I would like to try this with the DCS Mustang but the flaps down work. The flaps and brakes down work even though pressing those buttons when in controls mode light up as assigned.

 

 

 

I have been told that the Mustang is hard to fly even for experienced pilots so if I can mast it I will be hopefully in good shape to take on the DCS F18 and learn to fly missions up to and include carrier landings.

 

 

All of the curves for the axis controls are set to factory mode.

 

 

Can anyone help me

 

 

Otrman

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We cannot help you guessing anymore. Make screenshots of your bindings for flaps and brakes and also DCS options - gameplay. You have been answered numerous times in this thread. Please read again. Watch the videos guys provided.

 

If your goal is to fly F-18 then go and fly F-18. No reason to wait or train on props before that.

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Taking Off in the P51

 

First let me say that it is my intention to get to the F18. My apparent madness is that I am very much a perfectionist. And when I heard that the Mustang was hard to fly, and then tried it, I chose to master it before moving on. I learned on the 172 on x-plane 11 and never having flown a sim I struggled a bit but got it done. I then moved to twin engine baron and finally to the Cirrus jet. Each change got easier because I only had to learn only to learn the new stuff that came with new planes. Flying the Corsair, which is a tad easier than the Mustang, I wanted to sharpen my reaction and problem solving skills.

Right now, I can proceed down the runway, lift off at about 120, and climb.

I was told that flaps down a notch or two will help offset the current tendency for the plane to want to roll left. Two problems, the flaps don't work, thus the place moves to the left and I have to roll back. The other problem is that I cannot move the yoke fast enough to correct. I have to move it all the way till it stops.

Axis assignments and they all light up when I move the controls.

 

I have the flaps assigned to two buttons on the Alpha. They light up when I press the buttons but do not deploy the flaps, which is what I want to do while the plane is on the runway waiting to take off.

After takeoff, I cannot raise the landing gear. They light up when deployed but not when I need to raise the gear.

 

I tried to send you images, but they made the reply too long. Can you provide me a way to send the images?

 

 

Hope you can help me,

 

Cheers,

Otman (Henry)

 

 

 

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Better get a stick and get rid of the yoke then.

I'm sorry dude, but when I got into DCS I was using an old Saitek Cyborg USB, with a small side throttle and twist rudders. Spiking like Hell! Took some tries to get the free mustang going, but not like 10. Sounds like you've got a way better setup though, so either you are doing something seriously wrong or there is actually something wrong with your equipment.

Have you tried with only the keyboard?

 

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I tried to send you images, but they made the reply too long. Can you provide me a way to send the images?

 

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I know I am being picky here but I will be using the same controller setup when I get to the F18 later and I would solve them before then.

 

 

Is there a curve suggestion that might help with the roll problem?

 

 

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That did not change anything. I will add a profile for Real that includes all my buttons and save it to see if that works.

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Just Not Working Out

 

I created a new profile "real" deleted the "easy" profile. I deleted the "easy" one by finding it and deleting it. What I would like is to have an option to select the profile I want to use when I start the sim.

 

 

 

I have the same thing with the newly created profile. I lift off but it rolls violently causing me to roll to the right or left. Is there a way I can record the flight so you folks can see what is happening to me.

 

 

 

I wanted to use DCS to learn and fly the F18 but the F18 is a much more complex and faster plane and I fear I will not do any better. It appears that I will have to stay with general aviation planes.

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I don't know. It is the one that comes with DCS. I didn't focus on that as my main concern was to learn to take off, fly, and land before I got into missions.

 

 

Why do you ask?

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Because there are multiple versions of the P-51, and now I have an idea of which one you are using.

 

 

If you did not make a purchase of the P-51, and just using the one that came with the game, then what you're actually using is called the TF-51D.

 

 

You don't need to delete anything. Just go ahead and repeat your control binding process for the category "TF-51D Real" Try that.

 

 

EDIT: In fact, that brings up a question. If you don't have the armed P-51D installed, how are you able to bind controls for it?

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I wanted to use DCS to learn and fly the F18 but the F18 is a much more complex and faster plane and I fear I will not do any better. It appears that I will have to stay with general aviation planes.

Controlwise, these jets are a lot easier to master then the warbirds. It's throttle up, rudder a bit to keep them roll down a straight line and at the correct speed, pull back on the stick and you're airborne.

 

I have a few of these old birds and it takes a bit of "skill" to do a decent take-off or landing with them. Difficult to keep them steady on take-off, violent rolls once the wheels loose though of the runway etc... Each of them has his own tricks to master, certainly on take-off. Once you get that under your belly, you're good to go.

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First let me say that it is my intention to get to the F18. My apparent madness is that I am very much a perfectionist.

 

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It's not about perfection it's about being consistently safe in a very DYNAMIC environment.

 

Please STOP relating to other sim's. DCS models much deeper and way more realistically. Which is a blessing and a curse lol.

 

Because we don't get the same feeling a pilot gets, so we rely on sight / movement more and adapt to suit this. It takes a lot of practice! We use the TF-51 for base and farp repairs online. So hard to get to and sometimes on sloping hills sides.:cry:

 

I posted this for you at the start, did you read it? Page 2

 

A very generous flight instructor wrote here on the forums about how to fly these aircraft, as many did struggle at the start. Top of the Spitfire thread. Essay 1, 2 and 3

 

So, Learn to just fly the damn plane! lol

 

Quick video for you of just flying the damn plane!;)

This is the FREE TF-51 that comes with DCS and the sim is set to Simulation in the options, so (TF-51 Real) aircraft controls are bound / used.

(It's in video 2)

 

 

Watch how much forward stick I use at times (See indicator bottom left) to stop her pitching up to much and stalling. Keep her flat to get speed.

 

Watch the real

, see how flat he holds her to gain speed. No zooming up.

 

BTW. Have you enabled or disabled those ridiculous assist thingies under special settings for the Mustang ?

 

Yes, turn off those settings, it was messing me up with it on.

 

Not the P-51

But watch how much forward stick on takeoff to keep her down!


Edited by David OC

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Hey @Otrman Just to make sure! We are cheering for you!

It took me a while as well to get the concept of "figure out" the difference between the "easy and sim" in the control schemes. Follow theese gentlemens tips and tricks and I'm sure you'll get there. Sorry about my take earlier. No wonder why you can't get airborne if you're configuring the incorrect control scheme!!!

I was totally confused myself at a time. I wish DCS would hide the easy ones when not explicitly choosing the "easy" flight model. That would've probably save a lot of greef! Also remember later when getting other modules, most of them congress with two schemes, easy and sim.

I don't know if it is a bug or not, but while testing all the modules during this free testing ride for the past weeks. It seems to me that some of them wouldn't let you turn off the "assist thingies". When I tested the Anton, while testing on the ground, i could see the rudder going all over the place when I brought up the "control indicators". Make sure you get it displayed. Right Control-Enter. Don't remember if anyone has tipped you about it in this thread!

I'm sure you'll get there, and like somebody else suggested. Forget ALL OTHER SIMS!!! DCS is a totally different ball game. Welcome to the club!

Cheers

 

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Assist Things

 

I am flying the P51D Real - have one profile in supporting that. All response curves at "stock". I was told that on the options, to set "game". Is that what you are referring to? Should I set to "simulation"? I roll off to the left even though I get up to 120 before trying to left off?

 

 

This plane is the one supplied by DCS as a freebie. I don't really care this much about the P51, as I am able to take off using x-plane 11 with both the Corsair and Mustang (Skunkcraft).

 

 

What about the F18 (purchased) by DCS? Any comments on that one?

 

 

Thanks in advance,

Otrman

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The F-18 flies like a limo compared the P-51. No need to fight to the propeller torque after take-off (which makes you roll).

 

There's also the SU-25T to try.

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F18 vs P51

 

Only reason I started on the P51 was to master something difficult and besides I am a WWII buff. I have X-plane 11 and have flown the Cirrus jet and the Phantom. Much easier to fly.

 

 

I want something more modern and with mission capability. I would eventually like to fly the F18 off a carrier.

 

 

The P51 that came with DCS just doesn't work for me.

 

 

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I want something more modern and with mission capability. I would eventually like to fly the F18 off a carrier.

What are you waitin' for?

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Preparing for the F18

 

Getting ready for the F18,

 

 

1. Someone mention "disabling thingies" - what are these and where are they?

2. Should I fly "sim" or "game"?

3. After I install the F18 and create it's own profile how do be sure it is loaded when I want to fly the F18 rather than the P51 Real?

 

 

I will order it now and go through the Manual for it.

 

 

Regards,

Otrman

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1: "assist" thingies: those are options, plane bound, to be found in the special tab in the options screen. Most don't have any, warbirds often have take-off assist, auto rudder and a bit other stuff to mess with.

 

2: Depends on what you want, game gets you easy controls, sim gets you real controls. Go sim! Same goes for aircraft, go real instead of easy.

 

3: If you select the F-18 as aircraft to fly, then automatically that profile will be loaded. If you select the P-51 after you have flown the F-18. DCS will switch to the P-51 profile and vice versa. It's not a one profile suits all like in every other sim. So you need to set up a profile for every aircraft you have.


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