What do I forget when setting the Radar?

[Limaro]

Hi,

 

 

I am struggeling with something at the radar.

When starting my mission in the air, it shows me things that it doesn't when starting from ramp (where I have to start up all on my own). I guess I miss something but I cannot find out what.

 

 

 

Situation:

Enemies flying on higher altitude than me.

 

When starting form ramp, my radar looks like this:

 

I dont see anything. However, the distance to the enemy is not that big. My instruments:

 

 

But when I start the mission already in the air, it shows me this:

Here the distance is much bigger and radar shows me the Mig 29. and I also see the 29 on my hud.

 

 

Can someone help me figuring out, what settings may be different.

 

 

Limaro

[Tom Kazansky]

I do not see any radar contact on both situations.

 

 

The only difference I see, is that the RWR receives a MiG29-radar signal at the 2nd example. Sure the MiG 29 scans you on the first occation too?

[QuiGon]

As Tom said, there is no radar contact in either case. The yellow 29 indication you are seeing there is comming from your RWR, not from your radar.

[Tomas9970]

RWR is not enabled by default when you start from the ramp. You have to turn it on using it's control panel under the MPCD.

 

edit: Also the RWR HUD symbology is turned off by default. You can enable it from the RWR page.

Edited March 25, 2020 by Tomas9970

[QuiGon]

RWR is not enabled by default when you start from the ramp. You have to turn it on using it's control panel under the MPCD.

 

edit: Also the RWR HUD symbology is turned off by default. You can enable it from the RWR page.

His RWR is actually active in both cases. It's just that the MiG hasn't scanned him in the first case.

[Tomas9970]

His RWR is actually active in both cases. It's just that the MiG hasn't scanned him in the first case.

Ok. My bad.

[deady1000]

Check your radar-elevation in the second case.

You won't scan any target when the elevation is set to >99k ft.

 

 

And yes, the HUD information comes from the RWR which detects radar beams from an Mig-29 which is somewhere ahead.

[QuiGon]

Check your radar-elevation in the second case.

You won't scan any target when the elevation is set to >99k ft.

Well spotted! The radar elevation is indeed maxed out in the second case, meaning that only targets can be detected that are flying pretty much directly above you.

[DAZnBLAST]

Ensure the following:

 

IFF under UFC is ON

DL under UFC is ON

Switch centre MPCD to SA

RWR below centre MPCD is ON and set to HUD

Keep an eye on # of bars

Keep an eye on TDC limits

[deady1000]

The difference why you see the Mig-29 in the second scenario and not in the first scenario is perhaps easily explained.

 

First scenario:

You say you started cold.

Probably your RWR is either completely disabled (it's not because we can see it active in the picture) or maybe it is enabled but it is not set to show incoming signals on the HUD.

Check the "EW"-page when you start your plane this way and see if the "HUD"-option is ticked or not.

Second scenario:

You started airborne.

The RWR is active and HUD-setting is also enabled.

Thats why the Mig obviously shows up on the HUD.

 

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If its the same with both scenarios then I'm sorry. :D

But that's what I guess.

 

I think there is a difference in systems that are active when starting cold, from ramp or airborne.

So that could explain why you can see the Mig in scenario 1 but not in scenario 2.

Meaning you have not set everything up as it is already set up when starting airborne.

And like DAZnBLAST said: Make sure to enable IFF and DataLink to get information from your AWACS about other aircrafts.

 

 

PS:

And always double check that all your systems are really enabled when starting airborne.

Edited March 25, 2020 by deady1000

[Tom Kazansky]

As the screenshots show his RWR is on for both missions. It is not a problem of radar contact. There is none for both. It is just the fact that the MiG29 radar scans him on the 2nd mission and not on the first. Just look at the little RWR which is on.

 

 

If the missing contact was the problem a comparison between two radars that don't show any contact makes no sense.

 

 

If the contact is the problem the radar antenna elevation set to max up certainly doesn't help.

Edited March 25, 2020 by Tom Kazansky

[deady1000]

True. The analog RWR display says there is just no contact.

[Limaro]

Hi all together, thanks for all the answers!!

 

 

@deady1000

You were right with the EW-Page and activating HUD. This brought me the line and the Machine into the hud :thumbup:

 

 

You are right with the radar elevation, made no sense.

 

By the way, this works good. When I scan in right altitude, I get the target. - As little bar, which I can designate with cursor.

 

 

 

Only question left is, how to get the yellow triangle with "29" in the attack radar and the very top?

 

 

I've uploaded a video of both cases.

First shows the starting in the air, second from runway (as from ramp)

( Video comment:

- I just uploaded it (20:40) it might not be available in all resolutions yet.

- In this sample I could not switch D/L on. done know why, but later it worked and also had no effect)

[hornblower793]

To get that the enemy plane will need to scan you - they both come from the RWR system and that detects the enemy plan scanning you (you cannot control this) - if this doesn't show in the analogue RWR either then he hasn't scanned you

[Limaro]

To get that the enemy plane will need to scan you - they both come from the RWR system and that detects the enemy plan scanning you (you cannot control this) - if this doesn't show in the analogue RWR either then he hasn't scanned you

 

 

I actuall see him in by RWR. (see at 3:34) and also in the left DDI.

 

 

It now just seems to be a matter of a small option, to also show it in the attac radar as well.

[Tom Kazansky]

I actuall see him in by RWR. (see at 3:34) and also in the left DDI.

 

 

It now just seems to be a matter of a small option, to also show it in the attac radar as well.

 

 

You can turn off the (yellow) MiG29 signal/symbol in the radar MFD by pressing DATA and then disable MSI (Multi-Sensor Integration). Maybe your MSI is disabled?

Edited March 26, 2020 by Tom Kazansky

[Limaro]

You can turn off the (yellow) MiG29 signal/symbol in the radar MFD by pressing DATA and then disable MSI (Multi-Sensor Integration). Maybe your MSI is disabled?

 

 

Did not know this. But actually, it's already enabled. but it has no effect.

I also tried it with starting in the air. And there it actuall has exactly this effect. Disabling, removes the yellow symbol.

 

 

But from ramp/Runway, it never appears.

[Tom Kazansky]

Did not know this. But actually, it's already enabled. but it has no effect.

I also tried it with starting in the air. And there it actuall has exactly this effect. Disabling, removes the yellow symbol.

 

 

But from ramp/Runway, it never appears.

 

 

Just tested a quick autostart procedure from ramp. I can confirm: there is an enemy radar in front of me shown on the analog RWR but no (yellow) symbol on the radar page of MFD. DL was on.

 

 

Finally found it though.

 

 

Go to the SA page and then SENSORS (SENSR) and there turn RWR on (to ALL). And you're good to go.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Tom Kazansky

[Limaro]

Go to the SA page and then SENSORS (SENSR) and there turn RWR on (to ALL). And you're good to go.

 

 

That was the solution!! Thanks a lot for the effort!

[Tom Kazansky]

You are welcome!

[latware]

that was my problem too, thank you for finding it out

 

 

and let's stay safe from ****ing corona :)