D4n Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) https://pastebin.com/pzmUNGJy end with line "INFO EDCORE: signal caught: 'Abnormal termination' " Edited April 5, 2021 by D4n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Crash on creating MP server dcs.log: https://pastebin.com/pBU4NtJV DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Game freeze after landing on Dubai behind player-Hornet dcs.log: https://pastebin.com/RtvvajKy DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 22, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 22, 2020 Thanks for the log, it is not clear however what the crash was, we will watch for the crash as you have suggested. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 22, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 22, 2020 Merged your crash threads it will be more useful to have them together. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 Thanks for the log, it is not clear however what the crash was, we will watch for the crash as you have suggested. thanks It started out with big freezes (1-3 seconds freezes every 3-5 seconds) before the long final freeze. Hope it helps. DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 24, 2020 Author Share Posted March 24, 2020 another CTD on MP server join. even a .crash file this time! :thumbup:Logs.zip DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 24, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 24, 2020 Thanks, this is already reported. 2020-03-24 15:08:46.249 ERROR woShip: connector 'SHIP_TAIL_ON_WATERLINE_CENTER_1' is not specified in model '052c' 2020-03-24 15:08:46.251 WARNING EFFECTS2: BowwaveEmitter: unknown parameter 2020-03-24 15:08:47.972 ERROR GRAPHICSVISTA: Can't open model F-16C_oblomok_wing_R. 2020-03-24 15:08:48.182 ALERT DCS: Unhandled exception: No input port in scheme: target_pos 2020-03-24 15:08:48.307 INFO EDCORE: signal caught: 'Abnormal termination' 2020-03-24 15:08:48.309 INFO EDCORE: try to write dump information 2020-03-24 15:08:48.310 INFO EDCORE: # -------------- 20200324-150848 -------------- 2020-03-24 15:08:48.310 INFO EDCORE: DCS/2.5.6.45317 (x86_64; Windows NT 10.0.18363) 2020-03-24 15:08:48.311 INFO EDCORE: C:\WINDOWS\System32\KERNELBASE.dll 2020-03-24 15:08:48.311 INFO EDCORE: # 00000000 STATUS_SUCCESS at C7C5A859 00:00000000 2020-03-24 15:08:48.314 INFO EDCORE: SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: '.;F:\DCS World;F:\DCS World\bin;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\system32;SRV*C:\websymbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols;', symOptions: 530, UserName: 'Daniel-Alt' 2020-03-24 15:08:48.315 INFO EDCORE: OS-Version: 10.0.18363 () 0x300-0x1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 Crash in MissionEditor. dcs.log https://pastebin.com/VxYpz42n DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 28, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 28, 2020 Crash in MissionEditor. dcs.log https://pastebin.com/VxYpz42n Looks like you had a long MP session then went into the mission editor and crashed. Not many clues in the log, I would suspect a memory leak, possible terrain change. Will keep an eye out for it thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 And ANOTHER CTD, upon MP server join. :glare: at least a .crash-file was created.Logs.zip DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 7, 2020 ED Team Share Posted April 7, 2020 And ANOTHER CTD, upon MP server join. :glare: at least a .crash-file was created. Looks like the BowwaveEmitter crash, this is reported 2020-04-06 17:29:33.526 WARNING EFFECTS2: BowwaveEmitter: unknown parameter 2020-04-06 17:29:33.532 WARNING Mission: register_unit(1000349,19573761) : db.units['1000349'] table is missing 2020-04-06 17:29:33.970 WARNING Mission: register_unit(7474,19897089) : db.units['7474'] table is missing 2020-04-06 17:29:34.060 ALERT DCS: Unhandled exception: No input port in scheme: suppress_explosion 2020-04-06 17:29:34.290 INFO EDCORE: signal caught: 'Abnormal termination' 2020-04-06 17:29:34.291 INFO EDCORE: try to write dump information Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 7, 2020 Author Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) So that "Bowwave emitter"(whatever kind of aircraft-emitter that is, I guess?) crash is already reported since even before march 24th, and still not hotfixed? :huh: (I thought game crashes are worth getting hotfix-released as-fast-as-possible priority? :huh:) Edited April 7, 2020 by DanielNL DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 This time not Bowwave, it seems! :D (2x .crash files even)Logs.zip DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 13, 2020 ED Team Share Posted April 13, 2020 This time not Bowwave, it seems! :D (2x .crash files even) Looks like a display driver crash, out of memory, maybe memory leak. 2020-04-11 00:58:39.682 ERROR DX11BACKEND: failed to create structed buffer. Reason: E_OUTOFMEMORY 2020-04-11 00:58:39.682 ERROR DX11BACKEND: CreateShaderResourceView FAILED. Reason: E_INVALIDARG 2020-04-11 00:58:39.691 INFO EDCORE: try to write dump information 2020-04-11 00:58:39.692 INFO EDCORE: # -------------- 20200411-005840 -------------- 2020-04-11 00:58:39.693 INFO EDCORE: DCS/2.5.6.45915 (x86_64; Windows NT 10.0.18363) 2020-04-11 00:58:39.694 INFO EDCORE: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\VCRUNTIME140.dll 2020-04-11 00:58:39.695 INFO EDCORE: # C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at 32C51749 00:00000000 2020-04-11 00:58:39.695 ERROR DX11BACKEND: failed to create index buffer. Reason: E_OUTOFMEMORY 2020-04-11 00:58:39.698 INFO EDCORE: SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: '.;F:\DCS World;F:\DCS World\bin;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\system32;SRV*C:\websymbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols;', symOptions: 530, UserName: 'Daniel-Alt' 2020-04-11 00:58:39.699 INFO EDCORE: OS-Version: 10.0.18363 () 0x300-0x1 2020-04-11 00:58:39.705 INFO EDCORE: try to write dump information 2020-04-11 00:58:39.706 INFO EDCORE: # -------------- 20200411-005840 -------------- Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 Game frozen (+ no DCS.exe cpu-activity or RAM usage-change) after clicking "quit mission" in long fast-forwarded JF-17 flight. .log: https://pastebin.com/cqYu3TdR DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryzor Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 This also happens to me, but today. Yestarday with the same version quit normally. Any tips to fix??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 .Logs.zip DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 crash on leaving MP server. https://pastebin.com/yW1uhQng DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 CTD on MP server join, incl. .dmp + .crashLogs.zip DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 game froze in flight. https://pastebin.com/3QB30dE6 DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 CTD on leaving MP server. dcs.log https://pastebin.com/DS3RcgUw DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 CTD on server-join, .dmp, .crash attached.Logs.zip DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 CTD on "close mission" (leaving the mission summary menu after a quickstart mission). log: https://pastebin.com/ffhYvh1z DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 CTD in middle of taxiing with Harrier (persian gulf PvP multiplayer)........... dcs.log attached (pastebin.com has Error 502 Cloudflare atm...)dcs.log.txt DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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