Furiz Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) It doesn't matter if one radar is OP than the other as long as it is realistic. Radars can't be even in performance, some military manufacturers have one and others have other radar specs and techs. In my opinion radar performance change shouldn't come across whole DCS, but per specific radar, we are not here for balance but realism. Edited September 19, 2021 by Furiz 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumidekCZ Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Furiz said: It doesn't matter if one radar is OP than the other as long as it is realistic. Radars can't be even in performance, some military manufacturers have one and others have other radar specs and techs. In my opinion radar performance change shouldn't come across whole DCS, but per specific radar, we are not here for balance but realism. Realism? For radar performance? You are just kidding where you want to find realistic data, if the DCS radar core calculation (RCS, aspect, materials, weather,..) is not properly simulated... I'm aware that this can't be done by just thinking about hardware we have available. Show me one single radar in DCS which have published detection ranges for exact RCS at given PRF by its manufacturer. Trying to keep performances close to what is publicly know is good thing. Also thinking of compare each radar and it's limits is good thing for wide base of multiplayer community, which is growing every day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, GumidekCZ said: Also thinking of compare each radar and it's limits is good thing for wide base of multiplayer community, which is growing every day. What do you mean by this? Balance them out so you can have PvP? Balance is not what ED is going for. 5 minutes ago, GumidekCZ said: Show me one single radar in DCS which have published detection ranges for exact RCS at given PRF by its manufacturer. You are asking this because you know even if I had those I couldn't bring them up, but that doesn't make you right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Furiz said: It doesn't matter if one radar is OP than the other as long as it is realistic. True, but I think what GumidekCZ was getting at is to adjust all RADARs at once (those that need correcting anyway) instead of doing them one at a time, which may lead to a mismatch. Though not sure now on second thoughts. Though so long as they all end up being as realistic as possible, I'll be happy, though there's plenty of things DCS doesn't account for yet in its RADAR modelling. Edited September 19, 2021 by Northstar98 1 1 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumidekCZ Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 What I was trying to say, that goal should be to achieve maximum realism, but keep in mind that this is just Holly grail, which never can be achieved fully. I never said a word about balancing. What I want to see is maximum radars and weapon systems throughout the DCS and all modules, where somebody(specialist) controls performances of such systems and compare available paper data with what could be physically achieved at RW. One example, already done, and controlled is SD-10 Chinese missile...I hope that someone will check more systems in near future. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DCSoping said: They sure overdid it. What the hell i just tried again. So it just dumps bugs randomly up to 15nm . (To try and emulate "shitness" or something?) By that time, if you try to re-bug you get that weird thing where the cursor SKIPS OVER your target and you can't bug with TWS at all. The F16 is now basically reduced to a WVR (10nm) range aircraft only. I shit you not. Why always these knee-jerk reactions holy shit i'm actually a bit pissed off at this stupidity. If it's more realistic, that's all that matters, though there does seem to be a few bugs that were introduced. Edited September 19, 2021 by Northstar98 2 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, DCSoping said: They sure overdid it. What the hell i just tried again. So it just dumps bugs randomly up to 15nm . (To try and emulate "shitness" or something?) By that time, if you try to re-bug you get that weird thing where the cursor SKIPS OVER your target and you can't bug with TWS at all. The F16 is now basically reduced to a WVR (10nm) range aircraft only. I shit you not. Why always these knee-jerk reactions holy shit i'm actually a bit pissed off at this stupidity. Try Stabe Release, is you are playing in Open Beta expect bugs, that's why OB version is out so that they can run it through the community, it is the cheapest and fastest way of figuring out bugs. And when you notice that something is bugged you can report it so they can fix it. Edited September 19, 2021 by Furiz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 17 hours ago, DCSoping said: They sure overdid it. What the hell i just tried again. So it just dumps bugs randomly up to 15nm . (To try and emulate "shitness" or something?) By that time, if you try to re-bug you get that weird thing where the cursor SKIPS OVER your target and you can't bug with TWS at all. The F16 is now basically reduced to a WVR (10nm) range aircraft only. I shit you not. Why always these knee-jerk reactions holy shit i'm actually a bit pissed off at this stupidity. Maybe it's related to this? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 New patch planned for 22nd, probably gonna fix many of these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toutenglisse Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It might be trivial, but thanks for adding AP and mixed AP rounds for Hornet's M61 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sr. Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Me... Vulkan Edited September 21, 2021 by Sr. 7 1 Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3600| MSI RTX 4080 16GB Ventus 3X OC | Samsung 970 Evo 2TB NVME | HP Reverb G2 | DIY Head Tracker Cap | Logitech X-56 throttle | VKB NXT Premium | Win 11 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoirtel Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just noticed that since the last patch I now have the JF-17 available in the mission editor... (I don't own it nor have I tested it) I can only jump in when it's it client mode and it seems to be lacking a cockpit.... Unless it has one of those see through HMDs like an f35.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airhunter Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Our Viper still has HPRF which it shouldn't have in RWS and TWS as far as I'm aware. The radar is still a lot more believable and realistic now especially if you do some rough math with the radar range equation. It will also never be accurate to real life or precise in detection by 1-5nm increments. Even in real life these values are simulated and calculated as you wont have or know the exact RCS value of a contact you are picking up during testing. No one is going to go up and fly against a precisely 1sqm, 2sqm, and so on up until 100sqm target to build an exact detection table for those conditions. It is now mostly good enough as far as DCS goes, maybe even still a bit too good. But it's mostly in line with estimates, physical attributes and what some SME's say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I made a training mission for myself yesterday to try the dual target track. I was not able to reliable detect a flight of two MiG 23 in an Range of 20nm with a 10degree azimuth 1 bar scan. I have no knowledge of real radar capabilities whatsoever, but that seems pretty underperforming for me. Maybe it's only under certain conditions? (since I designed the mission and used "cheats" like F2 view and F10 map, I knew exactly where to scan for the enemy, hence the very focused radar search) "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Hiob said: try the dual target track. I was not able to reliable detect a flight of two MiG 23 I have been using it just fine. There are a few bugs with it (contacts freezing on the HSD when dropped, for example) but they should be squashed after today's patch. 1 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McVittees Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Oh lordy, I saw this update in the patch notes: "Petrovich AI, Added ability to track air targets and guide ATGM for attacking them. (Mi-24 ATGM aiming device abilities against air targets is limited to certain speeds, do not expect good results against fast movers and even helicopters can evade this attack with evasive maneuvering). In the next update we are planning to tune it more and add customization options for mission editor to allow restriction of this ability." I'm tappin' my Wizard of Oz red heals twice in the hope that this will get applied to AI Mi-24s who blast me out of the sky with the precision of a Navy Seal sniper! 3 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Great minds think alike; idiots seldom differ.":pilotfly: i5 3750K@4.3Ghz, MSI Z77A GD55, 8GB DDR3, Palit GTX 670, 24" Benq@1920*1080, X52 Pro, Win 7 64bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirrah Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Quote Petrovich AI, Target list logic addition, Petrovich will put a aiming device moving mark on the target that is currently highlighted in the list for more convenient target choice logic. This is great!! Thanks ED! 4 System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Looks like there'll be a patch today, I guess probably a hotfix. 1 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Northstar98 said: I guess probably a hotfix. For what? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, QuiGon said: For what? No idea, but apparently the big one is coming in October (13th/14th?) so presumably this will be something minor. 1 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Northstar98 said: No idea, but apparently the big one is coming in October (13th/14th?) so presumably this will be something minor. Yeah, it will definitely be a minor patch, but not necessarily a hotfix. Edited September 27, 2021 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, QuiGon said: Yeah, it will definitely be a minor patch, but not necessarily a hotfix. Ah, I see what you're getting at, I probably should've described it that way in the first place. Edited September 27, 2021 by Northstar98 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Northstar98 said: Ah, I see what you're getting at, I probably should've described it that way in the first place. For me a hotfix is a rushed update to quickly fix a specific and urgent issue, that severely impacts the functionality of the software. 1 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Just now, QuiGon said: For me a hotfix is a rushed update to quickly fix a specific and urgent issue, that severely impacts the functionality of the software. I understand, I guess we'll find out when it hits. Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Well, in theory Vulkan should launch this week: it’s been announced for Q3, and there has been no official statement about a delay 2 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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