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I believe it was more due to the fact that the MFDs weren't as user friendly, compared to what NATO aircraft would be using. Causing more workload on the pilot than what would really be necessary. Subsequently, this could often cause a reduction in pilot awareness, having to have their focus stretched so far. I recall hearing something like this from an interview (Aircrew Interviews channel) with a Luftwaffe pilot that flew the Mig-29 after securing them and made comments on this issue, if my memory serves me right.

I remember such a comparisons, they appeared i.e. after training dogfight between Swiss(?) F-18 and former East Germany Mig-29 (still in the inventory of the united Germany). They made comparison of the visibility from the cockpit, ergonomics, workload etc. But those Migs were truly basic models with just radar screen - but first models of the F-16 actually had also just one HDD around pilot's knees and numeric board on the left side of the dashboard. Hardly a big difference. I even remember some descriptions about later model where some other display was added at the higher part of the main panel and it was said how it increased safety of the operation as now pilot doesn't have to look down into the depths of the cockpit (loosing situational awareness).

 

I am fairly interested because as a "Easterner" these are my memories of the first contacts with the open information about military and aviation after the regime in the Eastern block had changed.

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*Updated* 5/4/2020

 

*Removed F-22/F-35/Rafale/Gripen from list as most** fly by wire aircraft surely can't be a "challenge" to fly. 4/29/2020

*Removed C-130. 4/29/2020

*Added Grumman A-6 Intruder as I'm unsure if Heatblur will develop it. 4/29/2020

*Removed Yak-38 Forger. 5/1/2020

*Removed F-15C, Mig-29, Su-27 and Su-25. 5/4/2020

*Clarified "Hawker Nimrod" as "Hawker Siddeley Nimrod". 5/4/2020

*Removed Canberra as Razbam might make that as possible future module. 5/4/2020.

 

I've read through every post here and annotated every aircraft guess mentioned, as well as cross checked hints. Here's a list of everything it could be.

 

Sources:

*All aircraft being made by 3rd parties have been removed from list*

*"It's mind melting"* source - Wags/Nineline/somebodyofficial

*"It's not a World War 2 or earlier aircraft"* source - Nineline

*"It's already been mentioned in this thread"* source - Nineline 4/15/2020

*"Su-35 not in development"* - EagleDynamics

*"Ka-52 not in development"* - EagleDynamics 4/15/2020

*"Here is what we know, It's not WW2, probably not a bomber, it's not the F4, or C130, it isn't old, but it isnt as new as to NOW. It's a challenge to fly, and is a milestone."* source -ED tester

**NEW**"The module is all new, I'll give you that. -Nineline 5/3/2020

 

Most likely candidate due to WIP pictures from last decade:

AH-64 Apache

f2cf857c4d37965adec8738e6116c413a13ea401v2_128.jpg

 

Possible "Mind Melting":

 

A-4 Skyhawk

A-6 Intruder

B-1B Lancer

CH-47 Chinook

E-2 Hawkeye

E-3 Sentry

EA-6B Prowler

F/A-18 E/F/G Hornet

F-104 Starfighter

F-105 Thundercheif

F-111 Aardvark

F-117 Nighthawk

English Electric Lightning

Hawker Siddeley Nimrod

J-15 Flanker-X2

KC-130 Hercules

KC-135 Stratotanker

Mig-25 Foxbat

Mig-31 Foxhound

Mig-35 Fulcrum F

Panavia Tornado

Saab 35 Draken

Sepecat Jaguar

Su-22 Fitter

Su-24 Fencer

Su-30 Flanker

Su-34 Flanker

Su-37 Flanker

TU-22 Backfire

UH-60 Blackhawk/Seahawk

V-22 Osprey


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One could also think an F/A-18F super hornet based on those criteria which would be my vote. Apache and a super hornet would be my preference..

Economically speaking, the new aircraft was likely chosen to leverage recent and upcoming investments by ED.

 

This includes:

 

- Modern Avionics (Radar, HMD, D/L, IFF, etc)

- AG Radar API

- New FLIR rendering

- New maps (Syria, Afghanistan)

- Multi-seat (ED investing into multi-seat Huey)

 

The obvious answer is the AH-64D Longbow Apache

 

ED reps have stated that the choice of an aircraft is based on:

 

community demand

Yes

 

available fleet and terrains

Upcoming, yes.

 

gameplay

Considering the love for the KA-50, a complex modern gunship for team blue would do well.

 

available docs

There is indeed much material on this around the web.

 

available knowledge/resource allocation

ED has experience with Helos and modern avionics at this point.

 

available SME

A widely proliferated aircraft. I'm sure there are SMEs all over willing to assist ED.

 

third parties developments

None are developing an AH-64.. But the Kiowa may pose as competition.

 

restrictions and risks of delivery

Some AH-64D information is likely highly restricted. But consider this, Boeing has already gave ED its blessing for the Hornet. The AH-64D likely has less classified systems, has greater proliferation than the Hornet, and a Block ll AH-64 would be older than the Hornet Lot we got.

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One could also think an F/A-18F super hornet based on those criteria which would be my vote. Apache and a super hornet would be my preference..

 

Yes, I would like both. I want the Super Hornet for personal reasons though. I don't care if it's block 1 either.

 

I don’t see the Kiowa as competition, they were made to work with Apaches, it’s a match made in heaven

 

Yes. The fact that the Kiowa is coming out and would complement it completely slipped my mind.

 

Good thinking.

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Where do you get info from?

 

*Updated* 5/4/2020

 

 

*"It's already been mentioned in this thread"* source - Nineline 4/15/2020

 

**NEW**"The module is all new, I'll give you that. -Nineline 5/3/2020

 

 

Hey Ikaros, I can't see NineLine statements like this, can you share where you take the information from?

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Wags has also mentioned in one of his videos about the Hornet or the PG map (not sure which one it was), that they have established a great relationship with Boeing and that this will help with possible future Boeing related modules. :music_whistling:

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Wags has also mentioned in one of his videos about the Hornet or the PG map (not sure which one it was), that they have established a great relationship with Boeing and that this will help with possible future Boeing related modules. :music_whistling:

 

IIRC in the same video there was the OH-58 Kiowa Warrior well presented next to Hornets.....

 

Just a hint hint that it was back then called to be coming, and after couple years it was confirmed by Polychop!

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Polychop said clearly they have received a licence. ED have given them a forum page and Wags has specifically mentioned that the Kiowa is being worked on. I doubt ED would've gone that far if Polychop didn't really have the required licencing.

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for J-35 Draken

 

"For now, the inclusion of the Draken is limited to an AI aircraft; but we have always considered the Draken to be a prime addition to our high fidelity roadmap, and hope to make it a reality at some point!"

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3287481&postcount=1

 

and A-6

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*Updated* 5/4/2020

 

*Removed F-22/F-35/Rafale/Gripen from list as most** fly by wire aircraft surely can't be a "challenge" to fly. 4/29/2020

*Removed C-130. 4/29/2020

*Added Grumman A-6 Intruder as I'm unsure if Heatblur will develop it. 4/29/2020

*Removed Yak-38 Forger. 5/1/2020

*Removed F-15C, Mig-29, Su-27 and Su-25. 5/4/2020

*Clarified "Hawker Nimrod" as "Hawker Siddeley Nimrod". 5/4/2020

*Removed Canberra as Razbam might make that as possible future module. 5/4/2020.

 

I've read through every post here and annotated every aircraft guess mentioned, as well as cross checked hints. Here's a list of everything it could be.

 

Sources:

*All aircraft being made by 3rd parties have been removed from list*

*"It's mind melting"* source - Wags/Nineline/somebodyofficial

*"It's not a World War 2 or earlier aircraft"* source - Nineline

*"It's already been mentioned in this thread"* source - Nineline 4/15/2020

*"Su-35 not in development"* - EagleDynamics

*"Ka-52 not in development"* - EagleDynamics 4/15/2020

*"Here is what we know, It's not WW2, probably not a bomber, it's not the F4, or C130, it isn't old, but it isnt as new as to NOW. It's a challenge to fly, and is a milestone."* source -ED tester

**NEW**"The module is all new, I'll give you that. -Nineline 5/3/2020

 

Most likely candidate due to WIP pictures from last decade:

AH-64 Apache

f2cf857c4d37965adec8738e6116c413a13ea401v2_128.jpg

 

Possible "Mind Melting":

 

A-4 Skyhawk

A-6 Intruder

B-1B Lancer

CH-47 Chinook

E-2 Hawkeye

E-3 Sentry

EA-6B Prowler

F/A-18 E/F/G Hornet

F-104 Starfighter

F-105 Thundercheif

F-111 Aardvark

F-117 Nighthawk

English Electric Lightning

Hawker Siddeley Nimrod

J-15 Flanker-X2

KC-130 Hercules

KC-135 Stratotanker

Mig-25 Foxbat

Mig-31 Foxhound

Mig-35 Fulcrum F

Panavia Tornado

Saab 35 Draken

Sepecat Jaguar

Su-22 Fitter

Su-24 Fencer

Su-30 Flanker

Su-34 Flanker

Su-37 Flanker

TU-22 Backfire

UH-60 Blackhawk/Seahawk

V-22 Osprey

 

The MiG-29K was also mentioned several times in the thread and probably more realistic than the MiG-35 in your list.

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ED hints?

 

The MiG-29K was also mentioned several times in the thread and probably more realistic than the MiG-35 in your list.

 

 

Hello gentlemen, first post here just to share something I noticed in the last video from ED...... is it a superhornet standing at the end of the video?

 

 

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*Updated* 5/4/2020

 

 

Sources:

*All aircraft being made by 3rd parties have been removed from list*

 

 

Possible "Mind Melting":

 

A-4 Skyhawk

A-6 Intruder

B-1B Lancer

CH-47 Chinook

E-2 Hawkeye

E-3 Sentry

EA-6B Prowler

F/A-18 E/F/G Hornet

F-104 Starfighter

F-105 Thundercheif

F-111 Aardvark

F-117 Nighthawk

English Electric Lightning

Hawker Siddeley Nimrod

J-15 Flanker-X2

KC-130 Hercules

KC-135 Stratotanker

Mig-25 Foxbat

Mig-31 Foxhound

Mig-35 Fulcrum F

Panavia Tornado

Saab 35 Draken

Sepecat Jaguar

Su-22 Fitter

Su-24 Fencer

Su-30 Flanker

Su-34 Flanker

Su-37 Flanker

TU-22 Backfire

UH-60 Blackhawk/Seahawk

V-22 Osprey

 

You can probably strike the ee lightning from the list, as it now appears to be one of many Raz has in the pipeline

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Once you make comparison between the first F-16 and Mig-29 what makes F-16 better in terms of the displays and situational awareness?

I am not talking about the view from the cockpit - most likely there is no jet in history to be comparable and never will be as with stealth, pilots are going back deeper into the plane.

I remember even descriptions that early Vipers were even unable to fire BVR missiles.

Thus it depends on what version do you pick - although Russia is clearly behind in general development.

 

Anyway F-111 would be quite a shock for me and maybe (if there would be chance to get reasonably well made product even as an early access) just maybe reason to buy it even at full price.

Trouble is in neverending lack of the dynamic campaign and proliferation of the Fox-3 capable birds - online F-111 could be easily in the world of troubles as there is almost nothing from her real world.

 

But give me a vote - and I would go for it.

 

I mean the original Vipers were pretty limited, nothing like the Block50 we have. The F16A's were very Analog. And for the most part no BVR missiles (yes a few later versions had em I know), but for the USAF were pure fox2 birds till the C models with AAMRAMs. No fancy MFD's etc.

 

F16A pit

 

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Versus the early Mig29's that could fire off 2 R27's. And had the HOBS R-73's

 

Mig29Cockpit.jpg


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I mean the original Vipers were pretty limited, nothing like the Block50 we have. The F16A's were very Analog. And for the most part no BVR missiles (yes a few later versions had em I know)..

 

Yes and I think it was actually just one F-16A version(the ADF) operated by the ANG(Air National Guard) that got modified for deploying the Sparrow missile.

 

..but for the USAF were pure fox2 birds till the C models with AAMRAMs. No fancy MFD's etc.

 

Yes but even the C versions had no AMRAAMs to begin with, since the first C variant came along around 1986, while AMRAAMs weren't operational until 1991-92 and many C's were in fact flying without any BVR missiles well into the nineties.

 

Versus the early Mig29's that could fire off 2 R27's. And had the HOBS R-77's

 

Well the MiG-29 in your photo is not really an early MiG-29(9-12), but rather a 9-13, which appeared in 1986-87 and as such actually completely contemporary with the F-16C(Block 25). It didn't have R-77 compatibility - this only came with the 9-13S(MiG-29S) modification(radar upgrade) in the early nineties.

 

But yes - its actually a little funny that exactly BVR capability is one of the F-16 attributes often cited as superior compared to the MiG-29, when to begin with it was actually the other way around :) .


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Yes and I think it was actually just one F-16A version(the ADF) operated by the ANG(Air National Guard) that got modified for deploying the Sparrow missile.

 

 

 

Yes but even the C versions had no AMRAAMs to begin with, since the first C variant came along around 1986, while AMRAAMs weren't operational until 1991-92 and many C's were in fact flying without any BVR missiles well into the nineties.

 

 

 

Well the MiG-29 in your photo is not really an early MiG-29(9-12), but rather a 9-13, which appeared in 1986-87 and as such actually completely contemporary with the F-16C(Block 25). It didn't have R-77 compatibility - this only came with the 9-13S(MiG-29S) modification(radar upgrade) in the early nineties.

 

But yes - its actually a little funny that exactly BVR capability is one of the F-16 attributes often cited as superior compared to the MiG-29, when to begin with it was actually the other way around :) .

 

Yeah, I thought some of the Euro exports got Aim-7's too for some reason. And the NG versions with them were rather late too IIRC (after the first C's came out?).

 

Right the 9-12 didn't have the "repeater for the radar" only hud based, but it still could use R-27's.

 

Mig-29-Cockpit-.jpg

 

And yeah, the A's were very limited at first, excellent cheap "dogfighters" to go against hordes of mig21's. With some secondary ground attack capabilities, which then got upgraded, then the radars got upgraded, then the missiles, then the AG suites again etc. etc.

 

At any rate, I would love it if ED at some point did a early block F16A and 9.12 mig-29... That would be some hella fun 80's dogfight action.


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Yeah, I thought some of the Euro exports got Aim-7's too for some reason. And the NG versions with them were rather late too IIRC (after the first C's came out?).

 

Yes I believe so - late eighties I think. IIRC some of them(F-16A ADFs) were sold on to Egypt at a later point.

 

Right the 9-12 didn't have the "repeater for the radar" only hud based, but it still could use R-27's.

 

Mig-29-Cockpit-.jpg

 

Hehe no mate - thats a MiG-23 cockpit. The MiG-29 9-12 cockpit looks practically identically to the 9-13 pit(in your previous post) and also has the HDD. But you can quickly tell them apart by two items - the 9.13 pit has a small ECM control panel below the AOA/G-meter and the fuel gauge has increased range on the tape and an extra light for wing drop tanks.

 

At any rate, I would love it if ED at some point did a early block F16A and 9.12 mig-29... That would be some hella fun 80's dogfight action.

 

Well we already have the 9-12, but I agree that it would be cool to have a contemporary F-16A - e.g. Block 15.

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Yes I believe so - late eighties I think. IIRC some of them(F-16A ADFs) were sold on to Egypt at a later point.

 

 

 

Hehe no mate - thats a MiG-23 cockpit. The MiG-29 9-12 cockpit looks practically identically to the 9-13 pit(in your previous post) and also has the HDD. But you can quickly tell them apart by two items - the 9.13 pit has a small ECM control panel below the AOA/G-meter and the fuel gauge has increased range on the tape and an extra light for wing drop tanks.

 

 

 

Well we already have the 9-12, but I agree that it would be cool to have a contemporary F-16A - e.g. Block 15.

 

The image caption says mig29, but I did think it look odd. :megalol: google lied to me.

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*Updated* 5/17/2020

 

*Removed F-22/F-35/Rafale/Gripen from list as most** fly by wire aircraft surely can't be a "challenge" to fly. 4/29/2020

*Removed C-130. 4/29/2020

*Added Grumman A-6 Intruder as I'm unsure if Heatblur will develop it. 4/29/2020

*Removed Yak-38 Forger. 5/1/2020

*Removed F-15C, Mig-29, Su-27 and Su-25. 5/4/2020

*Clarified "Hawker Nimrod" as "Hawker Siddeley Nimrod". 5/4/2020

*Removed Canberra as Razbam might make that as possible future module. 5/4/2020.

**NEW** Removed EE Lightning as Razbam might make that into full module. 5/17/2020

**NEW** Removed Su-34 as it's confirmed it's not the upcoming new module. 5/17/2020

 

I've read through every post here and annotated every aircraft guess mentioned, as well as cross checked hints. Here's a list of everything it could be.

 

Sources:

*All aircraft being made by 3rd parties have been removed from list*

*"It's mind melting"* source - Wags/Nineline/somebodyofficial

*"It's not a World War 2 or earlier aircraft"* source - Nineline

*"It's already been mentioned in this thread"* source - Nineline 4/15/2020

*"Su-35 not in development"* - EagleDynamics

*"Ka-52 not in development"* - EagleDynamics 4/15/2020

*"Here is what we know, It's not WW2, probably not a bomber, it's not the F4, or C130, it isn't old, but it isnt as new as to NOW. It's a challenge to fly, and is a milestone."* source -ED tester

"The module is all new, I'll give you that." -Nineline 5/3/2020

**NEW**"The new module isn't the Su-34" - BigNewy 5/16/2020

 

Most likely candidate due to WIP pictures from last decade:

AH-64 Apache

f2cf857c4d37965adec8738e6116c413a13ea401v2_128.jpg

 

Possible "Mind Melting":

 

A-4 Skyhawk

A-6 Intruder

B-1B Lancer

CH-47 Chinook

E-2 Hawkeye

E-3 Sentry

EA-6B Prowler

F/A-18 E/F/G Hornet

F-104 Starfighter

F-105 Thundercheif

F-111 Aardvark

F-117 Nighthawk

Hawker Siddeley Nimrod

J-15 Flanker-X2

KC-130 Hercules

KC-135 Stratotanker

Mig-25 Foxbat

Mig-31 Foxhound

Mig-35 Fulcrum F

Panavia Tornado

Saab 35 Draken

Sepecat Jaguar

Su-22 Fitter

Su-24 Fencer

Su-30 Flanker

Su-37 Flanker

TU-22 Backfire

UH-60 Blackhawk/Seahawk

V-22 Osprey

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