everest101 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I come from the Falcon4 BMS sim world and a nice to have feature is TRIM RESETTING. FACTS: My guess is that TRIM RESET is not a standard feature in any of the DCS planes that are available and it is probably not available in any real airplane. Heck, even a real Cessna 150 doesn't have a TRIM RESET button!!! SIMULATORS ARE FOR FUN: TRIM RESETTING would be a cool convenient feature! For example, suppose you are carrying 2 x 500lbs bombs on your Viper (1 on each wing) and release one of them. When that happens, your jet is completely unbalanced. During your egress you need to seriously trim for wing rolling. Ingress again and on your second release, your trimming now makes you role hard the other way. Activating a TRIM RESET balances the roll back to zero...which is very convenient although it may not be realistic. That's why such a feature is a CHEAT but a very convenient cheat. To me, in a flight simulator, TRIM RESET is as much of a cheat as, say, an automated RAMP Start feature. We are into this DCS simulator world to have fun so why not have a few control features to make it funner! MY WISH: I truly believe that adding a TRIM RESET control feature for all DCS planes would be a big plus for the community. For me, in the Viper, it is a must have. Guess it could be available in the GENERAL section of the controls in a sub CHEATS section. Of course, we should be able to customize the key presses for such a feature. I know that such a request is LOW on the totem pole of work at DCS. Implementing it as a general feature for all planes would make it simpler to implement...but why? IMPLEMENTATION TRIM RESETTING is simply returning to ZERO all the trims you've done on your HOTAS flight axis. Typically, each 3D cockpit saves those parameters as you set them. That's it, no matter which plane you would fly a RESET would ZERO all trims of your plane and per say, that is simple to implement...press a key sequence and all trims are reset (no matter which plane you would be in). VOTE ON IT: If enough players agree with this we have a chance to see TRIM RESET added in DCS. Thanks for reading...and VOTE in your replies! Like... YES - Please add a TRIM RESET controls binding for all DCS planes, or NO - Keep it as realistic as possible. I like building muscles while I fly in my simulator!!! For me, it's a big and strong YES! Everest...Out! MOBO/MSI X570-A PRO/PCIe 4. CPU/AMD RYZEN 9 3900X (12 CORE), RAM/DDR4-32 GB (3200MHZ with XMP activated on the MOBO), GPU/EVGA-RTX 3080Ti, HMD/PIMAX Crystal, HOTAS/Thrustmaster Cougar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 My Vote - No Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavnet Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Why not? For me YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 No, no need for it To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) No (not in simulator mode) also I believe this feature is available (or it was) in game mode? It caused a lot of problems and was quickly removed. It might still be in development behind the scenes Edited February 2, 2020 by randomTOTEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 No Need [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3mta3 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Yes. Trim reset would be great. PC i7 7700k Gigabyte Z270 MSI GTX 1070 32gb DDR4 500gb EVO 850 SSD DCS 500gb EVO 960 NVMe SSD Windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu70 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Of course YES, highly needed! Should be in DCS wishlist (all planes) But as always some of people cant live with an option which they dont have to use if they dont like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Panther= Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Yes +100000 Twitch Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Z390 Aorus Xtreme, i9 9900k, G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB, 1080ti 11GB, Obutto R3Volution, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, TPR, Cougar MFDs, FSSB R3L, JetSeat, Oculus Rift S, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, F/A-18C UFC, Tek Creations F-16 ICP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 No.... If the real aircraft doesn't have a TRIM RESET, then it shouldn't be there. If the real pilot is required to TRIM the aircraft after each weight, speed, altitude etc change, then that is what the virtual pilot should be doing. The same thing is with the helicopters, there already exist some with the false "Reset Trim" that you are not suppose to have, and it is requested to be removed. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyracer Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 No, just no! MY SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel pentium 3 @ 800 MHz, 256 Mb RAM, Geforce 2 64Mb, Dell screen 1024x768 + Microsoft sidewhiner joystick + TrackIR 2 + TrackClitPro SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 98, Noice Attack & VIASAT PRO, SnackView Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgie79 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor_H Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 MAC is coming, this could be a feature there as i think it is supposed to cater to a wider audience and strike a balance between sim/arcade. But in DCS, no thank's. Supercarrier | Flaming Cliffs 3 | M-2000C | AJS-37 Viggen| MIG-21Bis | L-39 Albatros | Yak-52 | Spitfire LF MK IX | Mig-15Bis | Mig-19P Farmer | P-51D Mustang | F/A-18 | F-14 | F-5E Tiger II | C-101 Aviojet | I-16 | UH-1H Huey | Mil MI-8tv2 | Sa 342M Gazelle | Combined Arms | NS-430 Navigation System | NEVADA | Persian Gulf | Normandy1944 | World war II assets pack | Black Shark 2 | F-5E Agressors ACM campaign |F-5E Agressors BFM Campaign | L-39 Albatros Kursant Campaign | DCS:Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnadentod Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 SIMULATORS ARE FOR FUN: No they are not?! If you want "fun" go play games, get a grip man. Simulators are there to simulate. What's so hard trimming the other side when having dropped the second bomb, seriously? ??? Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 No, if it's not in the real aircraft then it shouldn't be in our DCS aircraft. Simulators are supposed to simulate real world stuff. You can reset trim in the F-16 just fine: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=4184692#post4184692 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everest101 Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 @OP: I do not understand your idea: Using your example, if you carry 2x500lbs bombs lateral lateral trim will be ~0. Dropping one of them would create mass and drag imbalance. Pressing supposed TRIM RESET button that resets all trim settings to 0 (as you've explained it) wold achieve what exactly? If you're already trimming the aircraft after first bomb drop, why is so difficult to trim it again after second drop? After a 1st release of one of the 500lbs bombs, the jet is really unbalanced...trimming is strong on the side of the opposite wing. That works but after releasing the second bomb then bang you are again completely unbalanced from that initial trimming. Instead of waisting time re-trimming again...you just press a TRIM RESET key sequence and the jet is quickly stable again. Very convenient! TRIM RESET is just a convenience function...thats it! It is useful especially on ground runs. In AA engagement it is not needed so much unless you deliberately release all your (say) left missiles!?! But the jet will typically alternate left then right missile automatically so that soft trimming is enough to correct the roll unbalance. Hope that is clearer! MOBO/MSI X570-A PRO/PCIe 4. CPU/AMD RYZEN 9 3900X (12 CORE), RAM/DDR4-32 GB (3200MHZ with XMP activated on the MOBO), GPU/EVGA-RTX 3080Ti, HMD/PIMAX Crystal, HOTAS/Thrustmaster Cougar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everest101 Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 No.... If the real aircraft doesn't have a TRIM RESET, then it shouldn't be there. If the real pilot is required to TRIM the aircraft after each weight, speed, altitude etc change, then that is what the virtual pilot should be doing. The same thing is with the helicopters, there already exist some with the false "Reset Trim" that you are not suppose to have, and it is requested to be removed. So if real pilots have to make a RAMP Start to start their jets, then why is their a ramp start cheat in DCS. The answer is simple. Because it is convenient, for many virtual pilots, to have a ramp start auto startup in DCS. So where do you draw the realism line in the sand? If we ever get a TRIM RESET for DCS planes, then you will always have the choice to NOT USE IT and keep things as realistic as possible for yourself while giving other virtual pilots the choice to use that feature. I like realism too. In fact if I could get to feel them G when I turn hard, heck, I'd love it! But that ain't coming yet! MOBO/MSI X570-A PRO/PCIe 4. CPU/AMD RYZEN 9 3900X (12 CORE), RAM/DDR4-32 GB (3200MHZ with XMP activated on the MOBO), GPU/EVGA-RTX 3080Ti, HMD/PIMAX Crystal, HOTAS/Thrustmaster Cougar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everest101 Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 No they are not?! If you want "fun" go play games, get a grip man. Simulators are there to simulate. What's so hard trimming the other side when having dropped the second bomb, seriously? ??? Nothing. Flight simulators are not games? Really!!! Games are programs that are programmed by programmers. So are ultra cool flight simulators like DCS. Therefore, logically, the DCS flight simulator IS a game...whether you accept that or not. Oh...and the DCS flight simulator is also there to have MAJOR fun! MOBO/MSI X570-A PRO/PCIe 4. CPU/AMD RYZEN 9 3900X (12 CORE), RAM/DDR4-32 GB (3200MHZ with XMP activated on the MOBO), GPU/EVGA-RTX 3080Ti, HMD/PIMAX Crystal, HOTAS/Thrustmaster Cougar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everest101 Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) MAC is coming, this could be a feature there as i think it is supposed to cater to a wider audience and strike a balance between sim/arcade. But in DCS, no thank's. MAC??? Whats that? So DCS is not catered to aim at a wide audience? Don't put that on your CV if you plan to work at DCS. Edited February 4, 2020 by everest101 MOBO/MSI X570-A PRO/PCIe 4. CPU/AMD RYZEN 9 3900X (12 CORE), RAM/DDR4-32 GB (3200MHZ with XMP activated on the MOBO), GPU/EVGA-RTX 3080Ti, HMD/PIMAX Crystal, HOTAS/Thrustmaster Cougar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUICE-AWG Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 No (not in simulator mode) also I believe this feature is available (or it was) in game mode? It caused a lot of problems and was quickly removed. It might still be in development behind the scenes Agreed, not needed as the Viper autoadjusts to 1 G "There are only two types of aircraft, Fighters and Targets." Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor_H Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 MAC??? Whats that? So DCS is not catered to aim at a wide audience? Don't put that on your CV if you plan to work at DCS. Sure it's catered at a wide audience but MAC will cater to an even wider one. As far as i know it's short for "modern Air Combat", in development by ED and will try to hit the sweetspot between DCS World and the Flaming Cliff series. Supercarrier | Flaming Cliffs 3 | M-2000C | AJS-37 Viggen| MIG-21Bis | L-39 Albatros | Yak-52 | Spitfire LF MK IX | Mig-15Bis | Mig-19P Farmer | P-51D Mustang | F/A-18 | F-14 | F-5E Tiger II | C-101 Aviojet | I-16 | UH-1H Huey | Mil MI-8tv2 | Sa 342M Gazelle | Combined Arms | NS-430 Navigation System | NEVADA | Persian Gulf | Normandy1944 | World war II assets pack | Black Shark 2 | F-5E Agressors ACM campaign |F-5E Agressors BFM Campaign | L-39 Albatros Kursant Campaign | DCS:Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Agreed, not needed as the Viper autoadjusts to 1 G I believe its roll trim that is the point of this request more than anything else. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Fix Su-27/33 autopilot off, the stick should save the attitude of the stick instead of falling back to last trim before going autopilot on. Look how HB did it on F-14. 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted February 6, 2020 ED Team Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hi all I have had a tidy up in the thread, Please treat each other with respect, if you can not, please refrain from posting. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVS-Viper Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Yes! Just like many other features in DCS, (as stated earlier) the user has discretion to activate or use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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