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5 hours ago, ju8712124822 said:

 I saw this video

video after 13:42 can see cockpit in F-4EJ

That not different between F-4
So can we get F-4EJ after we have F-4?

Or just F-4E with skin?

I just want to fly Japanese warbird

Zero F-86 F-4EJ F-15J 

 

The F-4Ej and F-4F are both F-4Es with different load outs and liveries. The F-4EJ initially lacked air to ground capability and the F-4F initially lacked the ability to fire BVR missiles. This changed for both aircraft with future upgrades.  The F-4EJ Kai which added anti-ship missiles involved putting in the same radar as the F-16, the F-4F ICE used the same radar as the F-18.  The ICE was an example of what I like to call a Phantom 2K upgrade-after the planned upgrade the Israelis worked on in the 1990s, as they would feature things like a HUD, MFD, and a radar from an F-teen. A lot of people don't want a Phantom 2K, I could go either way it really depends on how much effort it would take to do them. I would much rather see Eagle focus on the F-4 in the cold war - especially the Vietnam era. If we were to have multiple F-4 modules, I would expect at least 3 based on flight models.

The round nose- which would be the B,C, D, J , N, S these went through a lot of avionics changes 

pointy nose- E, F and G I doubt we'll be getting the F-4G though if we did that would be freaking awesome.

Royal Phantoms- which in terms of Avionics I believe are closer to the Navy versions but the engines would mean a different flight model 

 

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@upyr1, ou're forgetting that what you, or I, want has no bearing on what's getting made by the devs.

 

Our only choice is whether we buy the one they make, and lets be honest, for everyone saying "I only want x", you'll likely buy *any* version, especially if the reviews say it's good and it ends up on sale.

 

In the mean time, might be worth taking a leaf out of Victory205's frequent point, and start practicing those flying skills rather than posting, so we can properly fly it when it's out.

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1 hour ago, Buzzles said:

@upyr1, ou're forgetting that what you, or I, want has no bearing on what's getting made by the devs.

 

Our only choice is whether we buy the one they make, and lets be honest, for everyone saying "I only want x", you'll likely buy *any* version, especially if the reviews say it's good and it ends up on sale.

 

In the mean time, might be worth taking a leaf out of Victory205's frequent point, and start practicing those flying skills rather than posting, so we can properly fly it when it's out.

Not only Will I buy any version but I will buy every version as soon as possible.

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On 9/11/2021 at 6:49 AM, upyr1 said:

The F-4Ej and F-4F are both F-4Es with different load outs and liveries. The F-4EJ initially lacked air to ground capability and the F-4F initially lacked the ability to fire BVR missiles. This changed for both aircraft with future upgrades.  The F-4EJ Kai which added anti-ship missiles involved putting in the same radar as the F-16, the F-4F ICE used the same radar as the F-18.  The ICE was an example of what I like to call a Phantom 2K upgrade-after the planned upgrade the Israelis worked on in the 1990s, as they would feature things like a HUD, MFD, and a radar from an F-teen. A lot of people don't want a Phantom 2K, I could go either way it really depends on how much effort it would take to do them. I would much rather see Eagle focus on the F-4 in the cold war - especially the Vietnam era. If we were to have multiple F-4 modules, I would expect at least 3 based on flight models.

The round nose- which would be the B,C, D, J , N, S these went through a lot of avionics changes 

pointy nose- E, F and G I doubt we'll be getting the F-4G though if we did that would be freaking awesome.

Royal Phantoms- which in terms of Avionics I believe are closer to the Navy versions but the engines would mean a different flight model 

 

This made me think that if there was at least a F-4E that gets made that a mod could later be created to make it function like other variants using the same tech that is already implemented in other modules. The player would just have to have it installed like the F-16 to use its radar tech and so on. This is all just a theory based on how current mods are made. It would just take a very talented programmer to try it out.

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On 9/11/2021 at 4:49 AM, upyr1 said:

The F-4Ej and F-4F are both F-4Es with different load outs and liveries. The F-4EJ initially lacked air to ground capability and the F-4F initially lacked the ability to fire BVR missiles. This changed for both aircraft with future upgrades.  The F-4EJ Kai which added anti-ship missiles involved putting in the same radar as the F-16, the F-4F ICE used the same radar as the F-18.  The ICE was an example of what I like to call a Phantom 2K upgrade-after the planned upgrade the Israelis worked on in the 1990s, as they would feature things like a HUD, MFD, and a radar from an F-teen. A lot of people don't want a Phantom 2K, I could go either way it really depends on how much effort it would take to do them. I would much rather see Eagle focus on the F-4 in the cold war - especially the Vietnam era. If we were to have multiple F-4 modules, I would expect at least 3 based on flight models.

The round nose- which would be the B,C, D, J , N, S these went through a lot of avionics changes 

pointy nose- E, F and G I doubt we'll be getting the F-4G though if we did that would be freaking awesome.

Royal Phantoms- which in terms of Avionics I believe are closer to the Navy versions but the engines would mean a different flight model 

 

 

Its not so much that people don't want a modern phantom, its more that people want the older ones MORE because they were the iconic cold war fighter for the west, and its currently the biggest GAP for that time period in DCS IMO. I mean a "modern" phantom well, what can it do that that a Fteen can't do better really? Plus I think alot of people are getting a bit burned out on the do-it-all wunderwaffles. 

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39 minutes ago, Evoman said:

This made me think that if there was at least a F-4E that gets made that a mod could later be created to make it function like other variants using the same tech that is already implemented in other modules. The player would just have to have it installed like the F-16 to use its radar tech and so on. This is all just a theory based on how current mods are made. It would just take a very talented programmer to try it out.

It would be interesting to see what the community could do.

18 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

 

Its not so much that people don't want a modern phantom, its more that people want the older ones MORE because they were the iconic cold war fighter for the west, and its currently the biggest GAP for that time period in DCS IMO. I mean a "modern" phantom well, what can it do that that a Fteen can't do better really? Plus I think alot of people are getting a bit burned out on the do-it-all wunderwaffles. 

My thought on a Phantom 2K is simple, only after we have the B,C,D, E, F, G, J,K, and M in a cold war configurations

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On 9/12/2021 at 10:47 AM, upyr1 said:

It would be interesting to see what the community could do.

My thought on a Phantom 2K is simple, only after we have the B,C,D, E, F, G, J,K, and M in a cold war configurations

 

Its a very agreeable sentiment.

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Have we gotten any confirmations about an F-4 Phantom module, yes/no ?

 

I mean, seemed too early to know what variant, and what developer, but I'm just wanting to know if there was a translation or interpretation issue, or if someone truly has begun work on a Phantom? Or is this still somewhat muddy?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Rick50 said:

 

Have we gotten any confirmations about an F-4 Phantom module, yes/no ?

 

I mean, seemed too early to know what variant, and what developer, but I'm just wanting to know if there was a translation or interpretation issue, or if someone truly has begun work on a Phantom? Or is this still somewhat muddy?

 

 

 

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On 9/12/2021 at 5:08 PM, Harlikwin said:

Its not so much that people don't want a modern phantom, its more that people want the older ones MORE because they were the iconic cold war fighter for the west, and its currently the biggest GAP for that time period in DCS IMO. I mean a "modern" phantom well, what can it do that that a Fteen can't do better really? Plus I think alot of people are getting a bit burned out on the do-it-all wunderwaffles. 

Personally, I see no point in modern 2000s upgraded F-4 variants (like the Terminator 2000, or the ICE or whatever), when the only operators of these modern Phantoms operate aircraft that would be far more suitable for the period.

The F-4 is a Cold War aircraft, a staple Cold War aircraft for BLUFOR and that's exactly the era it belongs in.

The most modernised Phantom I'm after is a mid-to-late 80s F-4E. I guess the F-4K/M too, but after AIM-9L and Skyflash it didn't receive anything significantly new (the AIM-9L and Skyflash being both late 70s/early 80s things).


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I'm not really interested in the modern upgraded Phantoms, because by 1991 those were no longer the tip of the spear for any airforce. All/most of those airforces had newer jets, the Phantoms kept because they were costly but paid off, and still pretty good, but were no longer the top dog. Nothing wrong with that... Japan's Phantoms seem to be kept in better shape than when they first rolled out of the hangars in St Louis, a serious point of pride, and still formidable! But Japan has had Eagles for a very long time too, along with other newer jets. 

 

I want Phantoms from the era when they were the king of the skies, the sledghammer of doom with power and speed. When their appearance caused Mig pilots to shudder and focus real hard on their next few decisions. 

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4 hours ago, Rick50 said:

 

I'm not really interested in the modern upgraded Phantoms, because by 1991 those were no longer the tip of the spear for any airforce. All/most of those airforces had newer jets, the Phantoms kept because they were costly but paid off, and still pretty good, but were no longer the top dog. Nothing wrong with that... Japan's Phantoms seem to be kept in better shape than when they first rolled out of the hangars in St Louis, a serious point of pride, and still formidable! But Japan has had Eagles for a very long time too, along with other newer jets. 

 

I want Phantoms from the era when they were the king of the skies, the sledghammer of doom with power and speed. When their appearance caused Mig pilots to shudder and focus real hard on their next few decisions. 

Japans phantoms were actually the tip of the spear in the maritime defense role (the key to Japanese defense strategy) till the early 2000s when the F-2 went online. The F-1 was obsolete by the early 90s and its radar was insufficient in both range and filtering sea clutter to use the Type 93 anti ship missile, only the much shorter range type 80. The F-4ej super Kai with the apg-66j was the main anti shipping aircraft till the F-2 went operational, and supplemented it till retirement. 


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Right, but you know what I mean. B-52's also carried Harpoon ASM's, ship mines, and maybe even torpedos. Boeing 737's carry torpedos, Harpoons and other ordnance, but no one's confusing a P-8 Poseidon or B-52 with an F-35 Lighting or Superbug or Tomcat...  I'm just saying that while it may be very important to the sea defense of Japan for the last three decades... many of us are more interested in Phantoms of the era when they were still the "King of the Fighter Hill".

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