Wing Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 With the upcoming Mariana Islands, including Guam, I figured it would be solid to reach out about some uniqueness of Andersen AFB especially when it comes to modeling it correctly. Its not your typical set of runways, and because so, there have been a tragic history of aviation accidents/mishaps on takeoff and landings. Somethings I hope the ED dev team would put some extra care into: 1). Both runways at Andersen AFB are on a slight slope due to Island challenges of building the runways. From SW/NE the runways slope slightly upward leading to the cliffs. Pictures dont do it justice, but I will try to demonstrate this in pictures below, because this is actually quite noticeable, more so than majority of other uneven runways. Will DCS model this properly? 2). The cliffs on the NE side of the field are VERY dramatic. And offer quite a solid altitude change/challenge to judge while on final approach during bad Pacific ocean rain/fog. These cliffs have proven to be a huge learning curve to landing on these runways for aviators in history, and today. The difference from sea level, to runway in altitude is really something you have to be careful with, and I hope these cliffs really are modeled in a realistic fashion. Especially when coming from the NE landing on a downward sloped runway (coming in from that directional), is challenging. ED Devs I just reach out to you in this fashion to maybe look deeper into the runway design of this base, as I truly hope it doesnt turn out to be a basic flat runway, like majority of others in game. Aborted takeoff at this base is one horrible event... as theres more so a "point of no return" than ever before with other bases in DCS. 1 www.v303rdFighterGroup.com | v303 FG Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I'll second this. The features of the runway really give Anderson character. If the opportunity is missed, it just wouldn't be "Anderson". ~Bailey DCS VoiceAttack Profiles | My Mods and Utilities on ED User Files | DiCE: DCS Integrated Countermeasure Editor DCS Update Witching Utility | DCS-ExportScripts for Stream Deck Community Github Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrexen Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Wow that's awesome, would never have known about this. ED please make this happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxOne007 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I really hope ED takes on this knowledge! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looney Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Given the current maps we have and the overhaul of the Caucasus, I expect the runways in the new map to be as flat as the others are. The cliffs won't be modelled in high detail as they're simply part of the height mesh that's implemented and doesn't have the resolution to make "cliffs" as shown in the pictures. Don't get your hopes up, it's not a new terrain engine they're using, it's just another map. So it's all ocean with a few potruding pieces of land with the ocean modelled below it, just as with all the other maps. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commodore 64 | MOS6510 | VIC-II | SID6581 | DD 1541 | KCS Power Cartridge | 64Kb | 32Kb external | Arcade Turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistking Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 [...] The cliffs won't be modelled in high detail as they're simply part of the height mesh that's implemented and doesn't have the resolution to make "cliffs" as shown in the pictures. Don't get your hopes up, it's not a new terrain engine they're using, it's just another map. So it's all ocean with a few potruding pieces of land with the ocean modelled below it, just as with all the other maps. did you even have a look at the screenshots they posted? My personal wishlist after half a decade with DCS: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/184968-my-personal-wishlist-after-half-a-decade-with-dcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 +1 would definitely love this Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looney Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 did you even have a look at the screenshots they posted? Yes I did and I will stand by my point, don't get your hopes up. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commodore 64 | MOS6510 | VIC-II | SID6581 | DD 1541 | KCS Power Cartridge | 64Kb | 32Kb external | Arcade Turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) We already have both curved runways and valley placed ones that need some climbing on take off. Being new map with little ground to render I expect it to be of higher quality and images show like the hopes are well-founded. Edited January 6, 2020 by draconus Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 We already have both curved runways and valley placed ones that need some climbing on take off. Being new map with little ground to render I expect it to be of higher quality and images show like the hopes are well-founded. Same, I mean think about it the whole of the Marianas including Guam is ~1000km^2 which is absolutely tiny, there should be far smaller total object count, there's no big cities, no huge forests, so hopefully they'll be able to make this map higher resolution. Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasizyayo Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 ED always focuses on shape, not resolution, so don't expect it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 Can we confirm any new details on this? www.v303rdFighterGroup.com | v303 FG Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shu77 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Given what Ugra have achieved with the Syrian Runways, I don't see why it is not possible. Have a look at Incirlik, Ramat David or Wujah to get a real feel for what the engine is capable of. Hornet, Super Carrier, Warthog & (II), Mustang, Spitfire, Albatross, Sabre, Combined Arms, FC3, Nevada, Gulf, Normandy, Syria AH-6J i9 10900K @ 5.0GHz, Gigabyte Z490 Vision G, Cooler Master ML120L, Gigabyte RTX3080 OC Gaming 10Gb, 64GB RAM, Reverb G2 @ 2480x2428, TM Warthog, Saitek pedals & throttle, DIY collective, TrackIR4, Cougar MFDs, vx3276-2k Combat Wombat's Airfield & Enroute Maps and Planning Tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 16, 2021 ED Team Share Posted March 16, 2021 Dont worry, we have curves 4 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: Dont worry, we have curves Beautiful www.v303rdFighterGroup.com | v303 FG Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sublime Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I by chance encountered this today and the curve in the runway (slope) is quite noticeable. I'd never heard of all this and thought 'oof' and took off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Both OP points are delivered. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 Looks beautiful. ED did a great job taking this into consideration! www.v303rdFighterGroup.com | v303 FG Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ㅤStalker Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Kudos to Eagle Dynamics for paying attention to these details. It'll be interesting to land on 24 at Anderson in rough weather. Also, the overall detail in this map is outstanding. Well done. 1 NZXT H510i | ASROCK B450 Pro-4 | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 | GeForce GTX 1080Ti | 32GB G.Skill 3600 RAM | Western Digital SN750 NVME M.2 | MSI Optix MAG341CQ 34" | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | Virpil WarBRD | MFG Crosswind | NaturalPoint TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 I think the runway lighting isn't 100% accurate tho, in DCS... Why would you have raised lighting that aircraft need to taxi over top of on a displaced threshold?? Especially planes like a B-52.. Just doesn't make any logical sense to me. Also, the hold lines before some of the Runways seem reversed and also make absolutely no logical sense too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Baz000 said: I think the runway lighting isn't 100% accurate tho, in DCS... Why would you have raised lighting that aircraft need to taxi over top of on a displaced threshold?? Especially planes like a B-52.. Just doesn't make any logical sense to me. Also, the hold lines before some of the Runways seem reversed and also make absolutely no logical sense too. Already reported: If you want to add more, make your own report. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz000 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) Thx for letting me know, didn't know it was reported already. I found these 2 stories about landing at Anderson AFB "The challenge of Runway 24" https://www.doctoraviation.com/tanker-trip-to-guam-flying-at-andersen-afb/ "We had heard tales of a few disgruntled islanders who did not like the airplane noise at night. We figured maybe one of them had taken a few "pot shorts" at the B-52." https://www.doctoraviation.com/tanker-trip-to-guam-vii-the-golden-bb/ found this cool video too: Edited July 2, 2021 by Baz000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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