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OH-58D Kiowa cyclic grip for DCS


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Hi,

 

not requiring any displacement or movement of your thumb.

:huh:

But for the "pressure" in the correct direction, you have to move your thumb.

It is still a joystick, where the deflection (10° for the OTTO J4 type) of the head determines the value you want. And if you release the force, it return to its center.

 

So you have to search the position again?

 

With a 4/5 way coolie I can trigger the wanted position which is hold until I change it triggering to the other direction.

 

For me this behaviour would easier to use while steering the cyclic.

 

I use a 4-way on my cyclic for my beep-trim system, a self-centering function would be counterproductive. :cry:

 

 

On a camera where the thumb can rest on the coolie, this function is really nice.

regards / gruesse yogi

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Going from a 4 way switch to a force transducer for sensor control is the joystick equivalent of going from a monitor to VR, that's how big the difference is. It's specially noticeable in the Ka50, zero curves or saturation required.

 

As for having it on the cyclic, that's only an issue if there's very little resistance/no force trim system. The OH-58D takes it a step further and gives you the option to disengage the copilot cyclic from the control system. The copilot cyclic is also the only one with a transducer.

Its location instead holds the force trim release switch on the pilot side.

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Hi Vladinsky,

 

 

so it is only usefull with a multicrew version?

Or in position hold with autopilot, switching to the co-pilot position.

And the co-pilot can't do both at once too?:music_whistling:

 

 

So why is it on the cyclic stick? :pilotfly:

 

 

I agree, that modern sensoring and steering make some things "easier", but not everything does make sense to me. :(

regards / gruesse yogi

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As a module in DCS without multicrew I imagine you would just cram everything you need onto your joystick/collective regardless of where it's actually located in the cockpit.

 

 

 

My transducer requires about 2lbs for maximum input, which is about the same force required to actuate the trim switch on the Lynx cyclic I use as a joystick, I think it would work ok.

 

 

As for why they did it, literally no idea. But if I were to speculate, perhaps the collective was too crowded with switches already, or perhaps it made more sense to disconnect the copilot stick rather than installing a separate sensor control grip due to space restrictions.

 

 

Those military grade buttons, too costly or impossible to source for a grip, from say Microhelis or Komodo? I have no idea how these last ones feel like, but it would be nice to have an option like that, for a higher price.

 

 

You can get them but they'll be very costly if you're buying them new from lets say, OTTO. You can however find good deals on ebay from time to time, search for otto pushbutton or otto switch. Typically the sellers are located in north america so you might get hit with import tax too.


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Yogi. The transducer basically doesn t move at all. It s just working like realsimulator’s fssb R3 force gauge.

Yes, trying to source military switches is really hard, and when you find them, they are very expensive. It won t make any sense to use them for controls aimed at flight simulations as it would make these controls cost several thousands of dollars.

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I've built a collective with a hot swappable mount. I have the Huey head done and am working on the Kiowa. What I have now is extrapolated from some drawings and pictures. Does anyone have any dimensional drawings of the Kiowa head?

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