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Yes. But they had enough time and resources to choke the engine of the Yak this time:))) It feels like supercharger is broken - manifold pressure is not correct any more.

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On 5/26/2021 at 9:21 AM, Toriy said:

Yes. But they had enough time and resources to choke the engine of the Yak this time:))) It feels like supercharger is broken - manifold pressure is not correct any more.

 

Power seems okay though, and the issue with the oil temperature appears to have been resolved (at least for the most part).

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4 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

 

Power seems okay though, and the issue with the oil temperature appears to have been resolved (at least for the most part).

 MP-14P engine must keep 1st nominal (with manual correction of fuel pressure) up to 1000 m, and the 2nd nominal up to 1800 m. Can you confirm this? Because on my side it does not.

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 MP-14P engine must keep 1st nominal (with manual correction of fuel pressure) up to 1000 m, and the 2nd nominal up to 1800 m. Can you confirm this? Because on my side it does not.

If there is an issue please post it in a seperate bug thread. Let's keep the focus on this thread in wondering where the progress is! 

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11 hours ago, Toriy said:

I posted. No reaction.

Ah, that's understood 😞

 

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Il 21/5/2021 at 13:09, hazzer ha scritto:

They have a serious issue of letting things slide and re allocate and use the lack of manpower excuse, which just suggests to me they shouldn't be creating so many aircraft as this problem will only get worse. 

 

This. I think the only solution would be if people stop buying new stuff until the old one is finished. Very unlikely to happen, since all the community hype is on the new stuff (I laugh when people deal with the Apache: beautiful machine, but be prepared to wait 5 years and more to have something minimally satisfactory: it seems everyone has forgotten the Viper and are ready to hail the Apache 🤦‍♂️). We are a minority, and frankly today I'm more prone to put money on X-p or Ms Fs addons rather than dcs, because I see a better post-purchase assistance. DCS remains my favourite simulator, but I can't deny there's a big problem to be addressed.


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I understand that ED has its staff split into teams: jet, rotor, prop, etc.

 

Since the Yak-52's release into Early Access, the prop team has:

1. released the Fw 190 A8

2. released the P-47D

3. created an improved damage model for all WW2 aircraft

4. nearly released the Mosquito (until the 3D model had to be scrapped)

5. created improved prop physics/animations for all props except the Yak-52

 

In the same period of time the Yak-52 has gotten:

1. No bug fixes

2. No improvements

3. No completion of incomplete features


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1 hour ago, Nealius said:

I understand that ED has its staff split into teams: jet, rotor, prop, etc.

 

Since the Yak-52's release into Early Access, the prop team has:

1. released the Fw 190 A8

2. released the P-47D

3. created an improved damage model for all WW2 aircraft

4. nearly released the Mosquito (until the 3D model had to be scrapped)

5. created improved prop physics/animations for all props except the Yak-52

 

In the same period of time the Yak-52 has gotten:

1. No bug fixes

2. No improvements

3. No completion of incomplete features

 

It is so disappointing to see it all laid out like that. 

 

No comment from ED on this either. I remeber sometime near the end of the year one of them stated some of the team would be working on the yak at the start of this year, which then was pushed back further.

 

It seems they are treating customers like mugs and take advantage of people's willingness to take a gamble on early access. 

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I think they sold very few Yak52 modules so the resources spent on building the module were not recovered, so... they decided to let it rot (when you crash you see pieces of 109 and Spit so...) but they can't admit it.

That's why I said earlier, ED should man up and accept this failure and set the module as free for everybody and use it as a marketing mean so updates would justify slowly by its later effects on public. Now... it would be nice that people that bought this abandoned module be also rewarded somehow... like some miles etc... not mandatory but it would be nice.


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8 hours ago, zaelu said:

I think they sold very few Yak52 modules so the resources spent on building the module were not recovered, so... they decided to let it rot (when you crash you see pieces of 109 and Spit so...) but they can't admit it.

That's why I said earlier, ED should man up and accept this failure and set the module as free for everybody and use it as a marketing mean so updates would justify slowly by its later effects on public. Now... it would be nice that people that bought this abandoned module be also rewarded somehow... like some miles etc... not mandatory but it would be nice.

 

 

Exactly. ED has a history of being opaque and having contempt for the customer in the past. They went through a period, including now, where they claimed to be working on trasnparency. Admitting that sales of a module did not bring enough profit to warrant further development is transparency

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They're lack of follow-up on this module, already tells us its not important. What money they made off a commercial venture was just extra and they have no true intent to invest further. 
 

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Il 6/6/2021 at 20:57, zaelu ha scritto:

I think they sold very few Yak52 modules so the resources spent on building the module were not recovered, so... they decided to let it rot (when you crash you see pieces of 109 and Spit so...) but they can't admit it.

 

 

The Yak-52 is a porting of a training simulator they were working on. Maybe there was no damage model in that simulator, since a training software does not need to have one. DCS does. But maybe they went out of resources, or the module sold little, and so they did not add what was missing to have a complete DCS module. Will it be finished sooner or later? At the moment they don't seem to particularly want it; what about the more distant future? Considering their mantras: "everything is subjected to change", "nothing is written in stone", "it is done when it is done" and such, who knows? Maybe we'll have a payware Yak-52 II 😂

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I wouldn‘t have bought the Yak-52, if I would have known how long it stays in EA. A Yak-52 II? Good Joke! Never!!! :megalol:

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They have rubbed enough salt in the wounds, although at this point them trying to sell us a yak 52 II with the promise of it being fixed wouldn't suprise me. Heck they might even fit the unfinished ns430 to it as the icing on the cake! 

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On 1/18/2021 at 9:51 PM, 1987kess said:

I recently asked ED on the steam forum to give some love to the Yak-52. @BIGNEWY answered that they will reallocate some people when other jobs were done, so I hope they will have some commitment to this module this year.

 

6 months later there is still absolutely nothing.

 

It's a shame because I really enjoy the Yak in Syria map with the 2.7. And I'm pretty sure they will fix the current issues (bugs, lod, damage model, new prop model) in no time if they will put some effort on it. Or maybe they can just relay on a 3rd party to help finishing the job.


It's not about economically return of the module, which obviously seems pretty bad. It's about the costumers that have bought an EA module and the moral actions needed to support your released product and your clients.


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"We will reallocate people when other jobs are done" has been said since this was first brought up in 2019. The problem is that other jobs are never done. When other jobs get to a temporary stopping point, people are reallocated to the next new module they plan on releasing. Just as it did with the A8. Just as it did with the Jug. Just as it did with the Mozzie.

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9 hours ago, Nealius said:

"We will reallocate people when other jobs are done" has been said since this was first brought up in 2019. The problem is that other jobs are never done. When other jobs get to a temporary stopping point, people are reallocated to the next new module they plan on releasing. Just as it did with the A8. Just as it did with the Jug. Just as it did with the Mozzie.

This is exaclty true. @BIGNEWY @NineLine @Wags We would appreciate a timeline/actual sign of action being taken to fix and pull the Yak out of beta. 

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