Emmy Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Yes, of course. I can't think of anything you can't do while INS is aligning except some things on the HSD. And with stored heading alignment and no drift there's no reason to align past the 90 second mark today. Good to know. I’ve been afraid that leaving the alignment display in the DED would cause the alignment to abort or reset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUICE-AWG Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Anyone know what that mini-patch xxxxx.1 was all about today? "There are only two types of aircraft, Fighters and Targets." Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Anyone know what that mini-patch xxxxx.1 was all about today? Circuit Breaker fix for the FW-190... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Confirming you can go off and start entering LAT/LON for waypoints while the INS aligns in the background... Just saved eight minutes on startup! :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenzino Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) New INS? (Never mind) Edited November 2, 2019 by ravenzino Outdated i9-9900K, G.Skill 3200 32GB RAM, AORUS Z390 Pro Wifi, Gigabyte Windforce RTX 2080 Ti, Samsung 960 Pro NVMe 512G + 860 Pro 1T, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder, Samsung O+ F/A-18C, F-16C, A-10C, UH-1, AV-8B, F-14, JF-17, FC3, SA342 Gazelle, L-39, KA-50, CEII, Supercarrier Preordered. (Almost abandoned: CA - VR support please?) PG, NTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Painter- Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Manual says that the alignment stops when you do not enter the current position lat/lon within 2 minutes after starting alignment. For me it did not stop yesterday and there was some other bugs(?) during the alignment as well (entered altitude - altitude counted down thereafter each second, even into the minus range). Aligning without entering/confirming current lat/lon went all through the full alignment just fine. Regards REAPER 31 | Painter [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsk Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Please ED, can we have an option to skip this like in the Mirage. Some people enjoy sitting and waiting for the INS to align, and that's all great. However, some people (such as myself) don't enjoy it. We especially don't enjoy it when our VR crashes shortly after take off and we have to do it three times in a row like I just had to ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee1hy Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 no wait just go NAV creator of ED's official F-16C liveries (WP,OS, 132nd, 152nd, 174th) AH-64D livery contest winner kim_123456#3214 My user files https://shorturl.at/cdKV5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsk Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 no wait just go NAV Oh does that work? I mean that seems like a fair compromise to me .. if you want to wait for the align then let it align, otherwise just switch it to NAV and off you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eldur Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I've been switching to NAV when it said OK already, granting a coarse alignment only. Was enough though for things to work as expected. I'll check if we can set stored heading in the ME and enable it if possible for my test missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geraki Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 about INS i think the Block 50 has the ability to be ready in 4 minutes INS alignment ..and full aligned in 8 min !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kappa Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 about INS i think the Block 50 has the ability to be ready in 4 minutes INS alignment ..and full aligned in 8 min !!! Yes but, what are the real conseguences of making a 4 minutes alignment instead of an 8 minutes alignment??? I was not able to get it... Also, is the Stored Heading mode working correctly right now? It seems it works just like normal align but it's faster, but sometimes the alignment process stop without motivation... Can someone explain how all this works? The ED F-16 guide is not really helpfull at this time. -- [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 36° Stormo Virtuale - Italian Virtual Flight Community www.36stormovirtuale.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geraki Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) Yes but, what are the real conseguences of making a 4 minutes alignment instead of an 8 minutes alignment??? I was not able to get it... Also, is the Stored Heading mode working correctly right now? It seems it works just like normal align but it's faster, but sometimes the alignment process stop without motivation... Can someone explain how all this works? The ED F-16 guide is not really helpfull at this time. For 4 minutes the F-16 prealigned in stable hold point with GPS coordinates in the morning before takeoff -mission in order to make fast INS ready Edited November 4, 2019 by Geraki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delareon Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 i have flown the "Island" Mission yesterday and was a bit concerned that i miss my Push time if i wait for the GPS to fully align. So i did only a 4 Minute alignment and then startet. Compared to my previous runs before the INS Implementation the Steerpoint was roughly about 2 miles off to the north. Off course i can only tell for the Airport and for the Target Steerpoint but i assume that all waypoints are equally off. So yeah it works without but it has consequences. So you have to decide if you need precice Waypoints or if its enough if you come roughly in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbies2003 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 If you are short on time (aka scramble) then you use the inflight alignment. Whenever that gets introduced. No IRL they would go for a Stored Heading alignment in that case not skipping it till airborne. Waiting till airborne is going to give you a very rough alignment that is going to drift like crazy and require correction from the pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbies2003 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Can someone explain how all this works? The ED F-16 guide is not really helpfull at this time. A stored heading alignment is set up prior to that flight by turning on the INS some point prior to the flight and performing a standard full length gyrocompass alignment of the INS. Then it is shut down and the aircraft is not moved at all. If it gets moved for any reason than another standard gyrpcompass alignment would be required to update the INS to the new position. If that is done then a F-16 pilot can on startup select Stored Heading as the alignment type. No entry of current position is needed and the alignment will take 90 seconds to perform as it is assuming some data from the last full gyrocompass alignment thus why you need to perform a full alignment and not move the aircraft prior to using stored heading. Works good for scramble birds which are not going to be moved and are just waiting for the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 A stored heading alignment is set up prior to that flight by turning on the INS some point prior to the flight and performing a standard full length gyrocompass alignment of the INS. Then it is shut down and the aircraft is not moved at all. If it gets moved for any reason than another standard gyrpcompass alignment would be required to update the INS to the new position. If that is done then a F-16 pilot can on startup select Stored Heading as the alignment type. No entry of current position is needed and the alignment will take 90 seconds to perform as it is assuming some data from the last full gyrocompass alignment thus why you need to perform a full alignment and not move the aircraft prior to using stored heading. Works good for scramble birds which are not going to be moved and are just waiting for the call. Would a jet pre-placed in the ME be considered one suitable for a Stored Heading alignment? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Painter- Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 There is checkmark in the settings of that aircraft you place in the ME which enables stored heading alignment. Regards REAPER 31 | Painter [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 A-10C has a stored heading ability in DCS when starting from the ramp allowing a fraction of time to full alignment. I suspect the F-16C will be the same. Currently I find stored heading vs normal alignment of minimum or full duration all four combinations indistinguishable. They may all be identical to the sim at this point in development. The older F-16 INS took about 8 minutes to achieve nominal full alignment performance. The newer F-16 INS which includes the model in DCS achieves this in about 4 minutes. The status number includes information about expected drift as a multiple of the standard amount where 60 is 6x and 10 is 1x. Numbers less than 10 are better than normal alignment quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamenchan Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I've noticed that the waypoints cues on the HUD and the radar seems to drift when you stay in the air for a long time, while the HSD stays correct. I've done an inflight alignement to make them good again. Isn't the block 50 supposed to have the EGI that corrects itself with GPS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 There is checkmark in the settings of that aircraft you place in the ME which enables stored heading alignment. Is this an F-16 specific thing or is it a general sim setting. I'm not seeing it anywhere. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 There is checkmark in the settings of that aircraft you place in the ME which enables stored heading alignment. Go to options/special tab/F-16C AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) There is checkmark in the settings of that aircraft you place in the ME which enables stored heading alignment. Go to options/special tab/F-16C From within the ME or from the sim main menu? On the Sim Main Menu under Special I only see: Customized Cockpit Afterburner Detent HMD Render Eye Edited November 4, 2019 by Emmy [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faks Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 There is checkmark in the settings of that aircraft you place in the ME which enables stored heading alignment. Go to options/special tab/F-16C Interesting.. But I cant find that option anywhere. :cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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