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Hey,

 

i think the Crosswind behavior at landings needs a real Update.

Didnt manage to made a save Landing in Crosswinds higher than 5kts and even 5 are a scary....

 

So i want to find out, is it me or does this still need tweaking?

 

Would be Happy to see Tapes and/or Videos or some of your findings.

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Do you manage heavier crosswinds in the Viper?

 

The good practice is to compensate for winding the windward wing. Practice that a lot, landing gliders IRL. This skill comes with time, but I don't insist it's perfect as I'm not a viper pilot.

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Didnt manage to made a save Landing in Crosswinds higher than 5kts and even 5 are a scary....

Did a few tests with a 25kts xwnd component due to a few yaw control complaints...without practise the results weren't exactly beautiful, but it was managable.

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Did a few tests with a 25kts xwnd component due to a few yaw control complaints

 

Isn't 25kts the crosswind limit? It's been a while since I've read the -1 so I might be wrong

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The good practice is to compensate for winding the windward wing. Practice that a lot, landing gliders IRL. This skill comes with time, but I don't insist it's perfect as I'm not a viper pilot.

 

I do and i also piloting Gliders and Ultralight Planes in RL but never experienced anything like this... Even when landing on wet grass with heavy crosswinds its not nearly as bad as i experience it currently in the Viper.

 

Even in DCS landing the P51 or the D9, the Hornet or the Harrier in Crosswind isnt a Big Deal compared to this as it is currently.

 

Please show me some Tapes or Video with Control Input visible.

 

Especially bbrz, please show me.

I tried to take off in 15 kts crosswind and evenwith full Rudder Input the plane was drifting away heavily while on the Ground, so it would be intresting how you do it with 10kts more.

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Especially bbrz, please show me.

I tried to take off in 15 kts crosswind and evenwith full Rudder Input the plane was drifting away heavily while on the Ground, so it would be intresting how you do it with 10kts more.

Not at home presently so I can't fly/upload, but I'll do within the next few days.

 

Rudder alone isn't sufficient, at lower speeds you need the NWS to maintain the runway heading.

 

@Madbrood, that's why I tested at 25kts.


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I’ve also successfully landed in a 25kn direct crosswind. It’s not easy, but then again it shouldn’t really be easy if that’s the limits of the aircraft. Lot of fun though!

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No further people actually landing in crosswind AND willing to not just talk but show it?

 

Just saw the Overhead Pattern Thread from Wags without any wind....

 

But so far i think i flew that Bird too much like in BMS, when i read the F-16 Manual here:

https://info.publicintelligence.net/HAF-F16.pdf

 

There is the Crosswind section which actually tells you to do a wing level crab in that situations.

Lets see if it works better then.


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It's my thought that since it appears that the rudder is still borked that CW landings are not going to be easy to accomplish.

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Didn't have time for a bit of practise yet, but touching down in full crab with the wings level was always clear I thought?

 

Not really, in BMS you just bring the plane down and it regulates itself until you hit around 20kts crosswind. If you try to crab you will crash very very easily.

So i was thinking this behavior is correct since so many people praise the correct simulation....

I even found videos from a Phantom if i remember correctly, which exactly behaves like this.

But this was so long ago i couldnt find it anymore.

 

The rudder currently doesnt feel right because ist a bit sluggish and to intensive if you pull just softly but not extensive enough if you hit it full. At least for me so far.

But maybe i just had to adjust my curves a bit.

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Don't know when I find some time to practise, but here's a quick and dirty (hence not exactly beautiful, but you get the idea) short track with a 15kts xwnd component. Landing the DCS F-16 in a xwnd is definitely not easy!

 

Landing in BMS was a real immersion killer AFAIR.

 

According to the -1 the F-4 can be landed in a crosswind with all three methods. Wing low, crab and a combination of those two.

f16_xwnd_1.trk


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If you try to crab you will crash very very easily.

So i was thinking this behavior is correct since so many people praise the correct simulation....

 

 

I'm having to make some adjustments to my landings, coming from that other F-16 sim, where it was much easier in crosswind.

 

 

But like you stated from the HAF manual, crabbing wings level is the way to go. Here is a T-Day and Jello pointing out an F-16 landing with a little crab:

 

 

 

 

I just need to settle on a good rudder curve that works for both NWS sensitivity and rudder responsiveness once main wheels on tarmac. Having a lot of trouble with the latter currently.


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Thanks for Track Files and Videos.

 

Well now my Crosswinds are getting better, while they are still not easy..

But i still think is has to be tweaked in DCS because of the heavy jumping if one tire comes a little bit earlier to the ground and massive control input needed.

I dont see so heavy control input in the Youtube Video aswell.

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The reduced rates with the gear down “feel” too sluggish. No Curves on a TMWH and it takes practically full throw to influence roll and/or pitch. Hope this gets tweaked some so there’s a bit more authority.

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I think the biggest issue with the crosswind landing in the Viper currently is that the tyres don’t seem to slide. If you’re landing crabbed then as soon as the mains touch they grip like crazy and the aircraft tries to roll on its side. Ironically landing in crosswind on a wet runway is actually easier for me because will less grip it doesn’t roll as much. I think maybe the tyres are too sticky?

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I think the biggest issue with the crosswind landing in the Viper currently is that the tyres don’t seem to slide. If you’re landing crabbed then as soon as the mains touch they grip like crazy and the aircraft tries to roll on its side. Ironically landing in crosswind on a wet runway is actually easier for me because will less grip it doesn’t roll as much. I think maybe the tyres are too sticky?

 

To me, it doesn’t feel like the Viper is planted on pavement at all. On the takeoff roll, it seems to want to wander off the centerline on its own (NWS Off) and even in relatively benign conditions it takes way too much rudder to drag it back off the edge of the runway. This is a trait that a “Nose Dragger” should not exhibit until the nose wheel comes off the ground. Then (and only then) should the jet even think about trying to weather vane into the wind. There are times it feels like it’s torque steering with the longitudinal axis still aligned with the runway but the jet is sliding to one side as the power comes up. It’s like it’s “tippy toeing” along without significant mass pressing down on the gear.

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To me, it doesn’t feel like the Viper is planted on pavement at all. On the takeoff roll, it seems to want to wander off the centerline on its own (NWS Off) and even in relatively benign conditions it takes way too much rudder to drag it back off the edge of the runway. This is a trait that a “Nose Dragger” should not exhibit until the nose wheel comes off the ground. Then (and only then) should the jet even think about trying to weather vane into the wind. There are times it feels like it’s torque steering with the longitudinal axis still aligned with the runway but the jet is sliding to one side as the power comes up. It’s like it’s “tippy toeing” along without significant mass pressing down on the gear.

 

I am glad I am not the only one seeing this behavior on the takeoff roll.

 

For me, the F-16 yaws/slides to the left on takeoff and I have posted the tracks here:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4079176&postcount=97

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