nawarren Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Hi all. I noticed that the speed brake indicator only shows 6dots when in any position other than closed. I thought it displayed different symbols depending on what stage of extension. Just thought I'd mention it in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 5, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 5, 2019 I believe the diagonals should show in transition/operation (reported), but there is no indicator to show the actual position. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarren Posted October 5, 2019 Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 Hi Nineline, sorry yes that's what a meant to say. There is no diagonal markings at all. Just the dots (9). Is this a bug then or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 5, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 5, 2019 if you look real close, the diagonal lines are there, I think they transition too fast, so yes I have reported that. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarren Posted October 5, 2019 Author Share Posted October 5, 2019 Thanks Nineline. Loving the F16 it's awesome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 5, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 5, 2019 Thanks! Glad to hear you are enjoying it, and thanks for the reports, they do help and why we do Early Access! Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouli306 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Thanks! Glad to hear you are enjoying it, and thanks for the reports, they do help and why we do Early Access! Speedbrake indicator shows "closed" when the speedbrakes ar closed less than 2 degrees. The indicator should show the dots whenever it is open more than 2 degrees. When the indicator receives no power dashed lines are shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 6, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 6, 2019 Hey Bouli306, the manual I have also mentions you see the diagonal lines during switching as well. Is that your experience as well? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouli306 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Hey Bouli306, the manual I have also mentions you see the diagonal lines during switching as well. Is that your experience as well? Will check this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 6, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 6, 2019 Thanks! It's hard to imagine it from the oh so descriptive words in the manual :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomcat84 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 My information mentions that they appear during switching but only "momentarily". Momentarily is not defined though and I'm having a hard time remembering. I think it's like a fraction of a second when actuating the switch but I'm unsure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouli306 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Thanks! It's hard to imagine it from the oh so descriptive words in the manual :) Diagonals - Electrical power removed from the indicator. Diagonals also appear momentarily during switching. Point is that nobody looks at this indicator. I personally never saw the diagonals during switching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomcat84 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Point is that nobody looks at this indicator. That is definitely true. If you are looking at this indicator during you're idle boards defensive BFM break turn then you're doing it wrong :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 6, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 6, 2019 May be true, but we as virtual pilots might not get or feel the same feedback, so it would be nice to at least have it working as it should. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireNZ Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 There is the sound when they are open - so there is that feedback I guess. But for me it is combined with a rumble in the Jetseat so I notice it more. Hearing the sound when combined with AOA rumble (which sounds sweet btw) would be quite hard. Even with the additional Jetseat feedback I still find myself jabbing at SB close now and then, especially during BFM just to make sure - like when you drive a manual and give the stick a wiggle all the time to confirm its in neutral :) Asus Maximus VIII Hero Alpha| i7-6700K @ 4.60GHz | nVidia GTX 1080ti Strix OC 11GB @ 2075MHz| 16GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz DDR4 CL14 | Samsung 950 PRO 512GB M.2 SSD | Corsair Force LE 480GB SSD | Windows 10 64-Bit | TM Warthog with FSSB R3 Lighting Base | VKB Gunfighter Pro + MCG | TM MFD's | Oculus Rift S | Jetseat FSE [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 6, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 6, 2019 There is the sound when they are open - so there is that feedback I guess. But for me it is combined with a rumble in the Jetseat so I notice it more. Hearing the sound when combined with AOA rumble (which sounds sweet btw) would be quite hard. Even with the additional Jetseat feedback I still find myself jabbing at SB close now and then, especially during BFM just to make sure - like when you drive a manual and give the stick a wiggle all the time to confirm its in neutral :) Yeah, that is the toughest part of sims, giving enough feedback to simulate the real thing, anyways, let's get it like the real thing, the indicator and go from there, thanks all for the help from everyone... makes my life a little easier :) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouli306 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 May be true, but we as virtual pilots might not get or feel the same feedback, so it would be nice to at least have it working as it should. Absolutely true Nineline. But showing the diagonals momentarily (which does not say a whole lot) will not give you feedback. Sure they may show for a tenth of a second but will provide no feedback at all where the closed or dots show you what position the speedbrakes are in. Closed means closed but dots means anywhere between 2 degrees open and 60 degrees open... The only time a pilot will look at this indicator to make sure the speedbrakes are either open or closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uri_ba Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) My information mentions that they appear during switching but only "momentarily". Momentarily is not defined though and I'm having a hard time remembering. I think it's like a fraction of a second when actuating the switch but I'm unsure. It is literally a split second. The indicator is a spring loaded "drum" with 3 lables on it. Closed "Barber pole" 9 dots. The drum is magneticly held in one of two positions, up or down. Which will expose, closed or dots. When no power is sent to the indicator, no electromagnet is working. So the spring then centers the drum on the barber pole. So in order to move from open to closed inicatuon, the drum rotates, revealing the barber pole for that split second it takes to rotate the drum. It's almost instantaneous, but I have no idea how fast it really does move. (Very very fast is best estimate I can give). Couldn't find a reference video, so I'm putting I. Something similar in concept. This is a magneticly held switch. Which has more mass then the SB indicator drum. Just see how fast it jumps back to the spring loaded position. This is roughly how much time the barber pole will show up when drum is rotating. Edited October 7, 2019 by uri_ba Creator of Hound ELINT script My pit building blog Few DIY projects on Github: DIY Cougar throttle Standalone USB controller | DIY FCC3 Standalone USB Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 The barber pole is displayed as long as the speed brake switch is out of OFF and the boards are moving. It is an "in transit" indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team cofcorpse Posted October 10, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 10, 2019 The barber pole is displayed as long as the speed brake switch is out of OFF and the boards are moving. It is an "in transit" indicator. Is this concluded from real life experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouli306 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 The barber pole is displayed as long as the speed brake switch is out of OFF and the boards are moving. It is an "in transit" indicator. Simply not true. Where did you get that information from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 An Ohio ANG Block 30 FTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouli306 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 An Ohio ANG Block 30 FTD. I think that device is wrong than it might be a block 30 thing. As earlier in this posttrain the manual says that it might come on momentarilly during switching. And will show when the indicator does not receive electrical power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team cofcorpse Posted October 10, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 10, 2019 I assumed that switching is when indicator is switching from one position to another, because diagonals are placed between closed and opened positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uri_ba Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I assumed that switching is when indicator is switching from one position to another, because diagonals are placed between closed and opened positions. correct, that is why it's momentary. as the lable changes from open to close (or the other way around). However, there is no relative "in between" position as some still believe. indicator tells you that the speed breaks are either closed, not closed, or that the indicator isn't indicating. Creator of Hound ELINT script My pit building blog Few DIY projects on Github: DIY Cougar throttle Standalone USB controller | DIY FCC3 Standalone USB Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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