GGTharos Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Would it be possible for ED to quickly add some logging fucntionality to LOMAC for 1.1? What I mean is this ... Currently, in MP, the server records a multiplay.txt. Unfortunately it only records air to air things, and it doesn't do it -too- well, either. Could you possibly make it record ground attacks as well, noting hits with ordnance on buildings and building destruction/damage in general, and especially mission goal destruction/damage? Could you also put in some additional information in the log, such as which side each mentioned object is on (obviously, buildings will be /neutral/ unless designated as being a goal for a particular side, for example) ... this I ask because on some servers people use the same aircraft on both sides, so you have Su-27's firing on Su-27's and you don't know who's who in the log. A simple (RED) or (BLUE) tag following the AC name would suffice. In addition, logins/logouts form the game woudl also be appreciated. Also, a small change tot he scoring system: Currently, if one exits the game a loss is recorded for them, and their side. Could this please be altered so that if one lands on a friendly base, parks and shuts down engines they do not sufffer a loss? This would make the in-server kill counts in the debriefing a little more accurate. Thanks! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted November 12, 2004 ED Team Share Posted November 12, 2004 Re: A request for the Devs: Would it be possible for ED to quickly add some logging fucntionality to LOMAC for 1.1? What I mean is this ... Currently, in MP, the server records a multiplay.txt. Unfortunately it only records air to air things, and it doesn't do it -too- well, either. Could you possibly make it record ground attacks as well, noting hits with ordnance on buildings and building destruction/damage in general, and especially mission goal destruction/damage? It's good idea. Unfortunately very short time remains and I cannot promise, what it we shall make in it 1.1. Can you present a desirable example of log line? Could you also put in some additional information in the log, such as which side each mentioned object is on (obviously, buildings will be /neutral/ unless designated as being a goal for a particular side, for example) ... this I ask because on some servers people use the same aircraft on both sides, so you have Su-27's firing on Su-27's and you don't know who's who in the log. A simple (RED) or (BLUE) tag following the AC name would suffice. OK Can present a desirable log line In addition, logins/logouts form the game woudl also be appreciated. This is time when the player has connected and disconnected? Also, a small change tot he scoring system: Currently, if one exits the game a loss is recorded for them, and their side. Could this please be altered so that if one lands on a friendly base, parks and shuts down engines they do not sufffer a loss? This would make the in-server kill counts in the debriefing a little more accurate. We will think about it. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 Thanks for the reply Chizh! (By the way, how do you pronounce that?) Let me see if I have a handy mplog here so that I can present how it is now (for clarity) and an example of what I would like to suggest. Okay, an example from the Current MPLOG: 01/12:23:42 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER 01/12:23:47 "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) kill "xrust"(Su-27) by AIM-120 01/12:23:49 "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) crash 01/12:23:57 "xrust"(Su-27) eject 01/12:24:12 "xrust"(Su-27) crash 01/12:26:20 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) kill "Pilot1"(IL-76MD) by AIM-120 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land 01/12:30:18 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) crash 01/12:35:49 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "251stSparko"(F-15C) by R-27ET 01/12:36:17 "251stSparko"(F-15C) eject 01/12:36:23 "251stSparko"(F-15C) crash Let us take the first line, 01/12:23:42 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER This could be better presented as, 01/12:23:42 RED "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill BLUE "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER In this very simple way we can extract kilsl and deaths from the mplog file even if the server count isn't accurate because of the quitting issue, for example. An additional example, relating to ground targets: 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage RED "T-80" by Mk82 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill RED "T-80" by Mk82 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) complete BLUE GOAL "Kill T-80 Column" A similar aproach could be used for buildings, with no identification for buildings that are not marked as targets or goals (you jsut hit a building. Big deal, right?) But, consider this example also ... I have a target that is a building among a number of buildings which I do not want to be hit ... 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage BUILDING "GOAL-1" by Mk84 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill BUILDING "GOAL-1" by Mk84 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage BUILDING "GOAL-2" by Mk84 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill BUILDING "GOAL-2" by Mk84 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) complete BLUE GOAL "Enemy HQ"(GOAL-1) 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) fail BLUE GOAL "Civillian Buildings"(GOAL-2) In this case the GOAL-2 buildings are set to 'must survive' for example. Quote: In addition, logins/logouts form the game woudl also be appreciated. This is time when the player has connected and disconnected? Yes :). If this is in the log, it sometimes helps us either diagnose problems or catch cheaters. Thanks for considering this! :) Edit: Almost forgot! 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land This could be better presented as: 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at BLUE Saki 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at NEUTRAL Simferopol 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at RED Kerch We know that airports can be turned red/blue/neutral by assigning a flight to start from them (or neutral if no flight) and I would further suggest that aircraft are not able to refuel and rearm at any abse but a friendly one. Perhaps for the future, it would be possible to change airbase allegiance with a ground assault (tanks overruning the airport and making it friendly) which could make for some very interesting online dynamic battles :) Eg: If a base is neutral, and BLUE armor is present within 2km, it becomes BLUE. If a base is BLUE, but all BLUE units are destroyed and there is RED armor now present within 2km (may have to be 3-4 KM because the runways are long) the base becomes RED. If There are two forces present at the same time, the base retains its original allegiance until one of the fighting sides wins. A question: Is it still possible to drop a heavy bomb from 30m altitude without destroying oneself? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted November 12, 2004 ED Team Share Posted November 12, 2004 Thanks for the reply Chizh! (By the way, how do you pronounce that?) Let me see if I have a handy mplog here so that I can present how it is now (for clarity) and an example of what I would like to suggest. Okay, an example from the Current MPLOG: 01/12:23:42 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER 01/12:23:47 "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) kill "xrust"(Su-27) by AIM-120 01/12:23:49 "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) crash 01/12:23:57 "xrust"(Su-27) eject 01/12:24:12 "xrust"(Su-27) crash 01/12:26:20 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) kill "Pilot1"(IL-76MD) by AIM-120 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land 01/12:30:18 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) crash 01/12:35:49 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "251stSparko"(F-15C) by R-27ET 01/12:36:17 "251stSparko"(F-15C) eject 01/12:36:23 "251stSparko"(F-15C) crash Let us take the first line, 01/12:23:42 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER This could be better presented as, 01/12:23:42 RED "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill BLUE "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER In this very simple way we can extract kilsl and deaths from the mplog file even if the server count isn't accurate because of the quitting issue, for example. It's clear. Not problem. An additional example, relating to ground targets: 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage RED "T-80" by Mk82 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill RED "T-80" by Mk82 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) complete BLUE GOAL "Kill T-80 Column" A similar aproach could be used for buildings, with no identification for buildings that are not marked as targets or goals (you jsut hit a building. Big deal, right?) But, consider this example also ... I have a target that is a building among a number of buildings which I do not want to be hit ... 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage BUILDING "GOAL-1" by Mk84 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill BUILDING "GOAL-1" by Mk84 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage BUILDING "GOAL-2" by Mk84 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill BUILDING "GOAL-2" by Mk84 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) complete BLUE GOAL "Enemy HQ"(GOAL-1) 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) fail BLUE GOAL "Civillian Buildings"(GOAL-2) In this case the GOAL-2 buildings are set to 'must survive' for example. It's clear too. But I can answer on Monday when I shall discuss it to our programmers. Quote: In addition, logins/logouts form the game woudl also be appreciated. This is time when the player has connected and disconnected? Yes :). If this is in the log, it sometimes helps us either diagnose problems or catch cheaters. Thanks for considering this! :) OK :) I think it's not problem too. Edit: Almost forgot! 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land This could be better presented as: 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at BLUE Saki 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at NEUTRAL Simferopol 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at RED Kerch We know that airports can be turned red/blue/neutral by assigning a flight to start from them (or neutral if no flight) and I would further suggest that aircraft are not able to refuel and rearm at any abse but a friendly one. Perhaps for the future, it would be possible to change airbase allegiance with a ground assault (tanks overruning the airport and making it friendly) which could make for some very interesting online dynamic battles :) Eg: If a base is neutral, and BLUE armor is present within 2km, it becomes BLUE. If a base is BLUE, but all BLUE units are destroyed and there is RED armor now present within 2km (may have to be 3-4 KM because the runways are long) the base becomes RED. If There are two forces present at the same time, the base retains its original allegiance until one of the fighting sides wins. We will thihk about base side issue. A question: Is it still possible to drop a heavy bomb from 30m altitude without destroying oneself? It's possible with retarded bomb. :wink: Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 Cool! Thanks for the consideration Chizh :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywall23 Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 :o Good news Chizh! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywall23 Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Eg: If a base is neutral, and BLUE armor is present within 2km, it becomes BLUE. If a base is BLUE, but all BLUE units are destroyed and there is RED armor now present within 2km (may have to be 3-4 KM because the runways are long) the base becomes RED. If There are two forces present at the same time, the base retains its original allegiance until one of the fighting sides wins. Hey hold on a second. Isnt that idea from the campaign of the sim/game Eurofighter Typhoon? I dont think we need to put allegieance between ground units and airfields. Just let the RED and BLUE. (lol, ok ok, what you said GG on the end of the post.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 Eg: If a base is neutral, and BLUE armor is present within 2km, it becomes BLUE. If a base is BLUE, but all BLUE units are destroyed and there is RED armor now present within 2km (may have to be 3-4 KM because the runways are long) the base becomes RED. If There are two forces present at the same time, the base retains its original allegiance until one of the fighting sides wins. Hey hold on a second. Isnt that idea from the campaign of the sim/game Eurofighter Typhoon? I dont think we need to put allegieance between ground units and airfields. Just let the RED and BLUE. (lol, ok ok, what you said GG on the end of the post.) Maybe, I never played it - it jsut seemed liek a logical thing that could be added to make things more interesting. The reason why I propose an 'allegiance' for an airfield is that it will not permit you to refuel/re-arm unless its a friendly airfield (ie. your side). This neatly deals with people landing on any airfield they want to refuel when the mission designer doesn't intend it without littering the map with SAMs and tanks. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Sceptre Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Hey, since we're throwing ideas around, one just came to me :) This one will probably require too much work to make it into 1.1, but it may be a good workaround for a fully persistent campaign. If we could save the state of a mission when ending it, and import it into the editor, this would provide a means of running a persistent campaign manually. The campaign manager could then change the waypoints of AI units, and perhaps add reinforcements, but keep the general state of the universe as it was when the players last left it. Imho this would be a big improvement on the tools available today, especially for online games that do not currently have any type of campaign support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted November 25, 2004 ED Team Share Posted November 25, 2004 Thanks for the reply Chizh! (By the way, how do you pronounce that?) Let me see if I have a handy mplog here so that I can present how it is now (for clarity) and an example of what I would like to suggest. Okay, an example from the Current MPLOG: 01/12:23:42 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER 01/12:23:47 "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) kill "xrust"(Su-27) by AIM-120 01/12:23:49 "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) crash 01/12:23:57 "xrust"(Su-27) eject 01/12:24:12 "xrust"(Su-27) crash 01/12:26:20 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) kill "Pilot1"(IL-76MD) by AIM-120 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land 01/12:30:18 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) crash 01/12:35:49 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "251stSparko"(F-15C) by R-27ET 01/12:36:17 "251stSparko"(F-15C) eject 01/12:36:23 "251stSparko"(F-15C) crash Let us take the first line, 01/12:23:42 "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER This could be better presented as, 01/12:23:42 RED "AMVI_Asso"(Su-27) kill BLUE "RM_Nutcase_303r"(F-15C) by R-27ER In this very simple way we can extract kilsl and deaths from the mplog file even if the server count isn't accurate because of the quitting issue, for example. It's clear. Not problem. It's done. An additional example, relating to ground targets: 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage RED "T-80" by Mk82 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill RED "T-80" by Mk82 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) complete BLUE GOAL "Kill T-80 Column" A similar aproach could be used for buildings, with no identification for buildings that are not marked as targets or goals (you jsut hit a building. Big deal, right?) But, consider this example also ... I have a target that is a building among a number of buildings which I do not want to be hit ... 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage BUILDING "GOAL-1" by Mk84 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill BUILDING "GOAL-1" by Mk84 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) damage BUILDING "GOAL-2" by Mk84 01/12:23:43 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) kill BUILDING "GOAL-2" by Mk84 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) complete BLUE GOAL "Enemy HQ"(GOAL-1) 01/12:23:42 BLUE "GGTharos"(A-10) fail BLUE GOAL "Civillian Buildings"(GOAL-2) In this case the GOAL-2 buildings are set to 'must survive' for example. It's clear too. But I can answer on Monday when I shall discuss it to our programmers. Done with goals. Damage accounting is a hard. Quote: In addition, logins/logouts form the game woudl also be appreciated. This is time when the player has connected and disconnected? Yes :). If this is in the log, it sometimes helps us either diagnose problems or catch cheaters. Thanks for considering this! :) OK :) I think it's not problem too. It's done. Edit: Almost forgot! 01/12:29:52 "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land This could be better presented as: 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at BLUE Saki 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at NEUTRAL Simferopol 01/12:29:52 BLUE "Pool-Shark"(F-15C) land at RED Kerch It is done, but can sometimes work incorrectly. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted November 25, 2004 Author Share Posted November 25, 2004 :D You guys rock! :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruggbutt Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Wow, talk about customer service. N/J Chizh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Simply impressive :o Hats off, guys Whisper of old OFP & C6 forums, now Kalbuth. Specs : i7 6700K / MSI 1070 / 32G RAM / SSD / Rift S / Virpil MongooseT50 / Virpil T50 CM2 Throttle / MFG Crosswind. All but Viggen, Yak52 & F16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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