Interestingly... we've had the VR Optimization since May

[hansangb]

Hey folks,

As an outsider getting very interested in VR and a return to flight sims there seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction with the current state of VR and DCS or am I not reading it right? Also, why is there not clear information coming from DCS about VR updates etc? So much reading between the lines and conjecture. Seems ridiculous considering how much people are looking forward to improvements.

 

 

I don't work for ED, but the reason for the Beta branch is to test things out.

 

And clearly, as Wags mentioned, some are seeing the benefit and others are not. And they need to debug it to make sure everyone can enjoy the experience. There is no benefit to guessing about root cause as that leads to more conjectures and complaints. So I think it's more about passionate fans who want things "NOW!" :D

 

The state of VR is getting better every day. Rift S came out, Reverb came about. Pimax 5K+ is out. Index is going to come out. I don't know that you can go wrong with any of them. It's a good time to get into VR.

 

As for me, I've had a ball for the last two-three years playing in VR. And it's only getting better.

[javelina1]

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As for me, I've had a ball for the last two-three years playing in VR. And it's only getting better.

Amen brother! :thumbup:

[Nealius]

My VR experience with the last two updates was rather strange. On the initial 2.5.5 patch my VR performance was phenomenal. 45fps on the deck, terrain shadows didn't impact performance at all, no double-vision of moving objects.

 

Now on the second patch of 2.5.5 and my VR performance has reverted to about 35fps on the deck, terrain shadows murdering my frames in a dark alley, and anything that moves gets rendered twice.

[Buckeye]

Interestingly... we've had the VR Optimization since May

 

My VR experience with the last two updates was rather strange. On the initial 2.5.5 patch my VR performance was phenomenal. 45fps on the deck, terrain shadows didn't impact performance at all, no double-vision of moving objects.

 

Now on the second patch of 2.5.5 and my VR performance has reverted to about 35fps on the deck, terrain shadows murdering my frames in a dark alley, and anything that moves gets rendered twice.

 

 

 

Same. Not sure if they “took it back out” or what, but I definitely saw a bump two patches again and now nothing on the most recent one.

 

In any case if what I saw two patches ago was the full optimization...not that great. Definitely not a “50% boost”, for me at least. Impossible to really project that though without knowing all the facts.

 

 

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[Wicked.-]

Wicked, you should post to the link below if you haven't already.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=243521

 

 

I don't have the stable version installed and really don't want to lol. I can post what I'm getting and with what settings for OB with the 18 but he asked specifically for FPS from both DCS versions using the Mustang. I don't mind helping the beta testing but that's a bit much. lol

[Witulo]

I don't work for ED, but the reason for the Beta branch is to test things out.

 

And clearly, as Wags mentioned, some are seeing the benefit and others are not. And they need to debug it to make sure everyone can enjoy the experience. There is no benefit to guessing about root cause as that leads to more conjectures and complaints. So I think it's more about passionate fans who want things "NOW!" :D

 

The state of VR is getting better every day. Rift S came out, Reverb came about. Pimax 5K+ is out. Index is going to come out. I don't know that you can go wrong with any of them. It's a good time to get into VR.

 

As for me, I've had a ball for the last two-three years playing in VR. And it's only getting better.

 

Thanks......Beta branch testing, I see. I definitely want to fly VR. It will take me a while to get there, I’ll continue to watch for updates.

[DutchCoolHand]

My VR experience with the last two updates was rather strange. On the initial 2.5.5 patch my VR performance was phenomenal. 45fps on the deck, terrain shadows didn't impact performance at all, no double-vision of moving objects.

 

Now on the second patch of 2.5.5 and my VR performance has reverted to about 35fps on the deck, terrain shadows murdering my frames in a dark alley, and anything that moves gets rendered twice.

 

My experience is the same

[hansangb]

Thanks......Beta branch testing, I see. I definitely want to fly VR. It will take me a while to get there, I’ll continue to watch for updates.

 

 

What kind of HW do you have?

[Witulo]

What kind of HW do you have?

 

Absolutely nothing. I plan on building a pc specifically to play DCS. I gave up on flight sims years ago but have always had the bug. I stumbled across DCS YouTube videos and couldn’t believe how things have changed. I then discovered VR gamers playing DCS describing the immersion experience and started looking into it a bit more. I found out about the valve index release, oculus S etc and it looks like the technology is somewhat at a tipping point so I’m learning as much as I can.

[hansangb]

Absolutely nothing. I plan on building a pc specifically to play DCS. I gave up on flight sims years ago but have always had the bug. I stumbled across DCS YouTube videos and couldn’t believe how things have changed. I then discovered VR gamers playing DCS describing the immersion experience and started looking into it a bit more. I found out about the valve index release, oculus S etc and it looks like the technology is somewhat at a tipping point so I’m learning as much as I can.

 

 

Ah, gotcha. I tried the Reverb tonight I think i found my gen 2 HMD. Holy cow. Honestly, it's hard to convey the sense of immersion and the spatial awareness that you get with flight sim. It's breathtaking. I've waited 35 years for this. :D

[Witulo]

Ah, gotcha. I tried the Reverb tonight I think i found my gen 2 HMD. Holy cow. Honestly, it's hard to convey the sense of immersion and the spatial awareness that you get with flight sim. It's breathtaking. I've waited 35 years for this. :D

Sounds unreal,

It’s going to take a while to put the cash together so I’ll bide my time and live vicariously through YouTube and the forum. I hear you though, I remember buying sims back in the 90’s with an awesome picture on the front and amazing screenshots on the back only to be horribly disappointed. It’s seems that our time has come and maybe then some. Now I need to find out how much it’s going to cost me :)

[imacken]

Well, who'd have known that the optimisation is in after all!

I've just done Wags' test and posted my result. I get exactly a 50% increase. Went from 30fps (RED in fpsVR) to 45fps (orange). I got similar results in anything I tested with motionprojection off for the test.

(With motionprojection on, the best way to see is by looking at the frametimes. Gives a lot more headroom with same 45fps.)

I know it doesn't appear to work for everyone, but all I can say is well done ED!

[9echo]

Interestingly... we've had the VR Optimization since May

 

Ah, gotcha. I tried the Reverb tonight I think i found my gen 2 HMD. Holy cow. Honestly, it's hard to convey the sense of immersion and the spatial awareness that you get with flight sim. It's breathtaking. I've waited 35 years for this. :D

 

 

 

Hi Hansangb,

 

Glad to hear it was a positive experience for you! Would you mind writing a post about your experience etc? I’m waiting for reviews on the Index, and will try to get a fair bit of feedback and impressions before I make a decision on which HMD to go for, for possibly to look for good deals in the pre-Christmas sales. By then, there should’ve been a lot of teething issues and enhancements taken place. The waiting time though!! :(

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw your post in the Reverb thread. :) Thanks!!

[nrosko]

How are people benchmarking this considering fps changes drastically depending on head movement?

[Yeti42]

I think it was a medical trial...bear with me.... If they released the improvements and told everyone, we'd all be expecting better framerates and would project that impression (generally) in our results. If they release improvements and don't tell anyone, the reaction should be more objective. IT's kind of like a placebo effect....

 

I'm more concerned ned about the performance effects on non VR, I had some serious issues after 2.5.5 with framerates decreasing to single digits in some surcumstances

Edited June 18, 2019 by Yeti42

[tintifaxl]

I think it was a medical trial...

 

Yep. By chance. :music_whistling:

[Hippo]

I think it was a medical trial...

 

Certainly a double-blind trial, in that neither ED or the player base knows if they have the placebo or the performance-enhancer.

[Wolf8312]

Certainly a double-blind trial, in that neither ED or the player base knows if they have the placebo or the performance-enhancer.

 

 

Not really. I definately noticed a significant performance improvement.

[Nagilem]

@wolf - Sadly in FPS it doesn't look like it did as much as they wanted. If you troll the results thread, no one is getting huge gains in FPS.

 

Personally, I got some minor gain with my rig (avg of 10 more FPS). What was most notable for me was less smearing moving and turning, and less microstuttering. Not sure what that really means from a FPS counter perspective.

[hansangb]

Hi Hansangb,

 

Glad to hear it was a positive experience for you! Would you mind writing a post about your experience etc? I’m waiting for reviews on the Index, and will try to get a fair bit of feedback and impressions before I make a decision on which HMD to go for, for possibly to look for good deals in the pre-Christmas sales. By then, there should’ve been a lot of teething issues and enhancements taken place. The waiting time though!! :(

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw your post in the Reverb thread. :) Thanks!!

 

 

But I will post a summary experience in the main thread. this way, it'll be easier for people to spot.

[Wolf8312]

@wolf - Sadly in FPS it doesn't look like it did as much as they wanted. If you troll the results thread, no one is getting huge gains in FPS.

 

Personally, I got some minor gain with my rig (avg of 10 more FPS). What was most notable for me was less smearing moving and turning, and less microstuttering. Not sure what that really means from a FPS counter perspective.

 

Yeah thats where all my gains are as well, I don't even use fps counters. For me all this update really did is put things back the way they once were, though it is maybe better cause when turning my head to the side it really is perfectly smooth, though that may also be something to do with steam VR improving in recent years as well.

 

On the whole though I'm happy cause I really wasn't playing DCS recently due to the bad performance.

For me its more like something got broke and fixed, rather than some revolutionary new update but that may be a little unfair.

 

It's probably running better for me now than it ever has done..

 

But I really don't understand why they said it wasn't in, and now they say it is in. Turned the whole thing into a bit of a ruined orgasm!

[Harlikwin]

@wolf - Sadly in FPS it doesn't look like it did as much as they wanted. If you troll the results thread, no one is getting huge gains in FPS.

 

Personally, I got some minor gain with my rig (avg of 10 more FPS). What was most notable for me was less smearing moving and turning, and less microstuttering. Not sure what that really means from a FPS counter perspective.

 

While most people see little to no improvment. There are some guys reporting double digit gains too. There is a guy with a very similar setup to mine going feom like 45 on stable to 70/80 on OB. I do have a slighly older nvidia driver but aside from that and a few minor settings changes i have no explanation.

[Nagilem]

@Harlikwin - I definitely have hope that while the optimization is there, its broke and we can all still get some improvements from whatever fix they find.

 

FINGERS AND TOES CROSSED!

[Harlikwin]

Im just baffled by what the other guy is doing. Or maybe its a really specific hardware thing.

[imacken]

Im just baffled by what the other guy is doing. Or maybe its a really specific hardware thing.

 

Or maybe he didn’t check that his OB and Release settings were the same like I didn’t initially!