Bond 42 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I haven’t talked about them because I can’t get them to work... No NDA here. I haven’t tried again for months. I’ll give it a go again when I get time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Nobody wants to fly with a VR stick ? Sure, not now when gloves are for tracking only. But in the future, when gloves can give a sense of feel... hell, yes ! Think of the saving not having to buy endless TM sticks, or years of wishing TM did a throttle for <insert aircraft here>. As for the lack of captoglove reviews... If NOBODY is talking then that suggests they've all had to sign non-disclosure agreements..... No. No one wants to fly with a VR stick with the current, and IMO the next 10 years of "glove tech". How is a glove going to give you lateral resistance? Oh wait... It doesn't now, now will it. Same for the actual "feel" of a button. Just wait till you put your virtual hand through the front panel... IDK, I want gloves to be good and work, but thus far I see ZERO evidence that captoglove or other gloves actually work in DCS at the same level as point control does.. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I haven’t talked about them because I can’t get them to work... No NDA here. I haven’t tried again for months. I’ll give it a go again when I get time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Bummer. Let us know if you do. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacleyCole Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 If someone wants to buy my kit with two gloves complete plus two additional sensors they sent me in a nice case offer me some money I moved on from them BlackeyCole 20years usaf XP-11. Dcs 2.5OB Acer predator laptop/ i7 7720, 2.4ghz, 32 gb ddr4 ram, 500gb ssd,1tb hdd,nvidia 1080 8gb vram New FlightSim Blog at https://blackeysblog.wordpress.com. Go visit it and leave me feedback and or comments so I can make it better. A new post every Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streakeagle Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 If these things had worked the way I wanted them to, I would have bought them in a heartbeat. But all the problems I see on in this post tell me all I need to know: unsupported dead end. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOYKILLA Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Go with Pointctrl, like many other happy User here. @ micsmotionsimulator [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Thrustmaster Warthog SLM - F/A-18 , MFG Crosswind V2 , Cougar MFD`s , HP Reverb , PointCtrl , i9@5,1Ghz/2080Ti, :joystick: DIY 2DOF Motionsimulator with 4Ch Simshaker :joystick: https://www.facebook.com/micsmotionsimulator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notso Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 No. No one wants to fly with a VR stick with the current, and IMO the next 10 years of "glove tech". How is a glove going to give you lateral resistance? Oh wait... It doesn't now, now will it. Same for the actual "feel" of a button. Just wait till you put your virtual hand through the front panel... IDK, I want gloves to be good and work, but thus far I see ZERO evidence that captoglove or other gloves actually work in DCS at the same level as point control does.. I agree with you. I can't imagine gloves replacing sticks or HOTAS buttons, but I would love for the gloves to get to the point where it can manipulate all the other virtual switches and dials that we currently have to use a mouse for. I would pay big $$ for that. In addition, one of the other uses for gloves would be for giving hand signals to a live wingman in formation. Lead changes, fuel checks, formation signals, gear up/dn signals, etc. My understanding is that the gloves can be seen from another jet when in formation. Not sure if this is true yet or a just a wishlist at this point. But that would be another huge use for the gloves as they mature. System HW: i9-9900K @5ghz, MSI 11GB RTX-2080-Ti Trio, G-Skill 32GB RAM, Reverb HMD, Steam VR, TM Warthog Hotas Stick & Throttle, TM F/A-18 Stick grip add-on, TM TFRP pedals. SW: 2.5.6 OB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I agree with you. I can't imagine gloves replacing sticks or HOTAS buttons, but I would love for the gloves to get to the point where it can manipulate all the other virtual switches and dials that we currently have to use a mouse for. I would pay big $$ for that. In addition, one of the other uses for gloves would be for giving hand signals to a live wingman in formation. Lead changes, fuel checks, formation signals, gear up/dn signals, etc. My understanding is that the gloves can be seen from another jet when in formation. Not sure if this is true yet or a just a wishlist at this point. But that would be another huge use for the gloves as they mature. Yup. Thats where I hope gloves go in the near future. The major challenge IMO will be syncing Real world stick/hotas position with "in-pit" versions, especially as you switch planes. Currently point control works very well as a mouse replacement for VR. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Oculus was working toward gloves at one point: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/oculus-vr-gloves-patents/ However with the change in their direction since I suspect this may be shelved or locked away in a closet somewhere. And of course they are now working on hand tracking, will be interesting to see how that progresses. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Oculus was working toward gloves at one point: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/oculus-vr-gloves-patents/ However with the change in their direction since I suspect this may be shelved or locked away in a closet somewhere. And of course they are now working on hand tracking, will be interesting to see how that progresses. Yeah, I remember reading about that and the "reverse" tendon tech they had sounded fairly interesting, though probably difficult to do for complex joints (wrist). I think it could be really cool for a whole arm application. I.e. resistance when you touch a wall or something. But thats years/decades off IMO. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notso Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Yup. Thats where I hope gloves go in the near future. The major challenge IMO will be syncing Real world stick/hotas position with "in-pit" versions, especially as you switch planes. Currently point control works very well as a mouse replacement for VR. Sorry for my ignorance, but what is point control? System HW: i9-9900K @5ghz, MSI 11GB RTX-2080-Ti Trio, G-Skill 32GB RAM, Reverb HMD, Steam VR, TM Warthog Hotas Stick & Throttle, TM F/A-18 Stick grip add-on, TM TFRP pedals. SW: 2.5.6 OB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxDelta Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Sorry for my ignorance, but what is point control? its like a finger mouse for VR, working perfect in DCS https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=218861 . my projects: https://www.sim-addons.com/ https://www.shapeways.com/shops/sim-addons-1 AV8B nozzle lever https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=233670 F18C fingerlifts https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=234747 F18C radar elevation https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=248080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmacky Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I don't want to wear a bulky glove. I want a souped up Point Control. How about tracked bare hands in 3d space with just a slim finger tip slip on that offers some type of tactile as you grasp a switch! This should be Miles next obsession :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I don't want to wear a bulky glove. I want a souped up Point Control. How about tracked bare hands in 3d space with just a slim finger tip slip on that offers some type of tactile as you grasp a switch! This should be Miles next obsession :-) I really do love the fact that miles single handedly developed a VR hand tracking solution when major companies can't get things to work. He is the man! New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Trooper Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I can live without precise dial turning. Just let me flip the switch in VR..... it is all I need for now! HP G2 Reverb, Windows 10 VR settings: IPD is 64.5mm, High image quality, G2 reset to 60Hz refresh rate as standard. OpenXR user, Open XR tool kit disabled. Open XR was a massive upgrade for me. DCS: Pixel Density 1.0, Forced IPD at 55 (perceived world size), 0 X MSAA, 0 X SSAA. My real IPD is 64.5mm. Prescription VROptition lenses installed. VR Driver system: I9-9900KS 5Ghz CPU. XI Hero motherboard and RTX 3090 graphics card, 64 gigs Ram, No OC at the mo. MT user (2 - 5 fps gain). DCS run at 60Hz. Vaicom user. Thrustmaster warthog user. MFG pedals with damper upgrade.... and what an upgrade! Total controls Apache MPDs set to virtual Reality height with brail enhancements to ensure 100% button activation in VR.. Simshaker Jet Pro vibration seat.. Uses data from DCS not sound.... you know when you are dropping into VRS with this bad boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I can live without precise dial turning. Just let me flip the switch in VR..... it is all I need for now! Point control lets you do that, and dial turning. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Impalor Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) https://www.instagram.com/p/B8t6rG6qu0l/ Hi all, could anyone here comment if the gloves are worthwhile? And how long to wait for backorder? Edited April 14, 2020 by impalor 12900KF@5.4, 32GB DDR4@4000cl14g1, 4090, M.2, W10 Pro, Warthog HOTAS, ButtKicker, Reverb G2/OpenXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 https://www.instagram.com/p/B8t6rG6qu0l/ Hi all, could anyone here comment if the gloves are worthwhile? And how long to wait for backorder? Probably not. That link is interesting. Lots of "desync" between the hands when they are on the physical controls in DCS. Wonder if they will try to "Fix" that. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DayGlow Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I think that what will have to happen is a gesture to turn the gloves on and off as you grab or release the controls. Something like touching your thumb and pinkie finger tips as you release the controls wake up the gloves, then doing the same puts them to sleep. A simple fast gesture that wouldn't happen by chance while manipulating the cockpit. "It takes a big man to admit he is wrong...I'm not a big man" Chevy Chase, Fletch Lives 5800X3D - 64gb ram - RTX3080 - Windows 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 https://www.instagram.com/p/B8t6rG6qu0l/ Hi all, could anyone here comment if the gloves are worthwhile? And how long to wait for backorder? This entire thread is a comment that they are not worthwhile in DCS at this point . 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnadentod Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) https://www.sensoryx.com An alternative. These are tracking your hand movements also when outside your actual field of view. You can also find videos about it on youtube. Look for "VRfree". Edited April 16, 2020 by Der Hirte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePhil Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I got these and for 10 days I have been unable to get them to work now the hassle of getting a refund or disputing it with my CC company [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Window 10, i9-9900,2080TI, 32GB ram Puma Pro Flight Trainer, 2 x 1TB WB SSD NVMe HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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