Proper GCI implementation

[Mechanist]

Hi,

 

Any plans for GCI implementation in the future?

 

I mean proper GCI not the AWACS BRA clone thet ground EWR-s have now, but GCI as a comanding function with features like:

 

- Comanding the interceptor on an intercept course calculated from target's and interceptors position, velocity and vector.

 

- Assigning different interceptor groups for different targets. GCI group could be assigned with several interceptor groups they can launch or redirect

 

- Ability to handle target clusters "formations" not just individual targets.

 

- Separate phases of intercept:

Launching

Closing (for calculated intercept point)

Homing (Relative comands to the interceptor like turn left 10°, climb 1000m)

Handing over (Interceptro confirms the founding of target, identification, kill command)

Returning

 

- Nice to have: EWR Radars from the Era P-10, P-12

 

I think we all agree that the MiG-19P is desinged for operations strictly under GCI, leaving out this component would be an achilles heel to this module.

[HWasp]

Good idea, but there should be a DCS wide AWACS/GCI developement, as the current system is simply horrible. I have already started a thread on 2.5 whishlist, not much success there. Seems like people dont care too much a about it.

 

Maybe if RAZBAM would ask for it, that would have a bit more weight to it.

 

Really that old Lock On style AWACS cr.p is holding all cold war fighters back.

[Dr_Arrow]

A proper Eastern GCI would be great also for the Mig-21BIS. The intercept officer was much more responsible for the success of the interception than the pilot. Moreover the intercept officer would also direct an aircraft to turn on/off radar as well as engage afterburner, disengage. There was even an automated system for Lasour equipped Mig-21s as described in the book by A. Mladenov:

 

The interceptor was designed from the outset to cope with fast, high-

altitude targets; in addition to the radar it boasted dedicated guidance

equipment, represented by the Lasour-1 integrated onboard automated

system to receive intercept information, datalinked from the ground control

station of the Vozdukh-1 intercept operations control system. Intercept

commands (such as heading, altitude and speed), generated by the system’s

analogue computer, were received by the Lasour-1 equipment and displayed

on the respective instruments using bugs (special moving markers on the

instruments scale, showing to the pilot where he has to position the indicating

needle for altitude, speed, etc.). Lamps were used to issue discrete commands

such as afterburner on, zoom climb, and switching on the radar when

entering into the terminal attack phase.

[Кош]

A proper Eastern GCI would be great also for the Mig-21BIS. The intercept officer was much more responsible for the success of the interception than the pilot. Moreover the intercept officer would also direct an aircraft to turn on/off radar as well as engage afterburner, disengage. There was even an automated system for Lasour equipped Mig-21s as described in the book by A. Mladenov:

 

The interceptor was designed from the outset to cope with fast, high-

altitude targets; in addition to the radar it boasted dedicated guidance

equipment, represented by the Lasour-1 integrated onboard automated

system to receive intercept information, datalinked from the ground control

station of the Vozdukh-1 intercept operations control system. Intercept

commands (such as heading, altitude and speed), generated by the system’s

analogue computer, were received by the Lasour-1 equipment and displayed

on the respective instruments using bugs (special moving markers on the

instruments scale, showing to the pilot where he has to position the indicating

needle for altitude, speed, etc.). Lamps were used to issue discrete commands

such as afterburner on, zoom climb, and switching on the radar when

entering into the terminal attack phase.

Thats more about PVO homeland defence. VVS airforce had more advanced navigation instead of automated GCI, and were more independent and pilot-centric. MiG-21 we currently have is a VVS one. A common technique based on BRA callouts is having a map with drawn vector coordinates and drawing the enemy taskforce flightpath with a pen on your map on your lap. And plan a "?"-shape maneuver accordingly by yourself. Common by western Mirage operators too.

[Mechanist]

We would need somthing like the JTAC radio menu for A-10C. That enables signing im, and two way communication.

[Harlikwin]

Yeah I agree this would be good for DCS in general, but I don't really think its RAZBAM's job, rather ED.

[pepin1234]

Our MiG-19 is a PVO or VVS?

[bies]

MiG-19P we have was generally used by Air Defence / PVO. It has radar and it worked in strict coordination with GCI.

 

MiG-19S we are going to have later was generally used by Tactical Air Force / VVS.