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I am so torn... My original computer had some issues and it never did run correctly. I did most of my flying (98%) or more in VR because of the functionality and wow factor. I had to return the other rig and the new one arrived yesterday. I was finally able to spool up DCS in 4K on my 55 inch TV and my jaw hit the floor. It is beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Spotting targets many miles further out, clarity of HUD and instruments, you name it. It is an amazing experience.

 

So now I am so torn.... VR for the functionality or Pancake for the absolute visual spectacle that is DCS.

 

Dangit maybe I need to try Track IR as the middle ground.

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If you are using a monitor you almoat have to use headtracking - I say almost because there are a few extremely good pilots using thumbstick/snap views for looking around, but to get to look around the cockpit freely (and freeing up the thumbstick for, say, trim) is paramount for most players.

 

Why not do both, VR and Tir?

 

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Because they're mutually exclusive? You don't need TrackIR if you are wearing a headset as it has integrated positioning.

 

I've used the headsets in the past, the immersion factor is amazing, but the tech is really not 'there' yet. It needs to be several times the resolution it is in order to be truly useful/competitive. I ended up selling mine. With a sufficiently large/close screen and a properly calibrated TrackIR setup, it's a close second for 'fun' factor, but much more functional for a sim revolving around 'spotting dots miles away'.

 

I recommend personally a 34-35'' curved 3440x1440 screen until the VR tech matures. Be advised, TrackIR does take a little while to get used to, it's not as 'natural' as VR of course, and your mileage will vary depending on how you configure it.

 

For example, I have mine set where turning my head to the left of the screen brings 180' just onto the very edge of the screen. I try to keep it 1-to-1 and avoid 'the Exorcist' tendency you can get where your ingame view is turn past 180 or other 'unnatural' movements.

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If I may...

 

I am not hopping on the VR bandwagon because it is still in it's infancy so far as I am concerned.

 

Try TrackHat Clip with Opentrack, it is bliss!


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I fly DCS only in VR, because of the immersion. But if you're going 2D, then indeed TrackIR is the way to go. Regardless of what folks say here, enjoy DCS your way!

 

 

I usually follow this rule. DCS = VR, ArmA3 type games = TrackIR :-)

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track ir and monitor/big tv, prefer every time than vr

 

VR is quite an experience but I will take my 4k monitor over the current VR solutions, every time.

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Because they're mutually exclusive? You don't need TrackIR if you are wearing a headset as it has integrated positioning.

 

I've used the headsets in the past, the immersion factor is amazing, but the tech is really not 'there' yet. It needs to be several times the resolution it is in order to be truly useful/competitive. I ended up selling mine. With a sufficiently large/close screen and a properly calibrated TrackIR setup, it's a close second for 'fun' factor, but much more functional for a sim revolving around 'spotting dots miles away'.

 

I recommend personally a 34-35'' curved 3440x1440 screen until the VR tech matures. Be advised, TrackIR does take a little while to get used to, it's not as 'natural' as VR of course, and your mileage will vary depending on how you configure it.

 

For example, I have mine set where turning my head to the left of the screen brings 180' just onto the very edge of the screen. I try to keep it 1-to-1 and avoid 'the Exorcist' tendency you can get where your ingame view is turn past 180 or other 'unnatural' movements.

 

I meant use both systems - fly at times in VR, at times on desktop. If one already owns everything else except for the TIR/equivalent then why choose. VR is amazing for many things, but if you want to see what you are doing instrumentwse then monitor ia the way to go.

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Okey Dokey. Track ir ordered on Amazon Prime for Monday delivery. Guess I'll go watch some set up videos.I know I will end up using both. I do really enjoy the vr, it is so much better than I thought it would be, but the details and Mark 1 eyeball abilities you lose is massive.

 

Thanks all.

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Okey DOkey Trackir guys and gals. I have a question. I ordered on AP the Track IR set up but there is also a Trackir 5 opticalbudle that includes head trackclip pro. Is that the better option?

 

I know it's a stupid question but I have zero experience with track ir.

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The pro clip provides an infrared light source attached to your headset . The trackclip is a reflector unit typically mounted to a ball cap bill . I find the pro clip to give more stable tracking . However the trackclip may be entirely adequate if the camera does not face windows or room lamps . You can also try the trackclip , and if unsatisfactory , order the proclip separately .


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And a third option is to get a wireless battery-powered clip , sold through these forums . I have no experience with these .

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=159647


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I am so torn... My original computer had some issues and it never did run correctly. I did most of my flying (98%) or more in VR because of the functionality and wow factor. I had to return the other rig and the new one arrived yesterday. I was finally able to spool up DCS in 4K on my 55 inch TV and my jaw hit the floor. It is beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Spotting targets many miles further out, clarity of HUD and instruments, you name it. It is an amazing experience.

 

So now I am so torn.... VR for the functionality or Pancake for the absolute visual spectacle that is DCS.

 

Dangit maybe I need to try Track IR as the middle ground.

Gen 2 PC VR's in the oven, but I'd guess another 12 to 18 months out before landing on the doorstep. However, I suspect Gen 2 PC Vr's gonna be what we're looking for (pun).

And yeah, I like to look around, watch replays, and do F2 and F3 views on the monitor. DCS World in 4K is just awesomely beautiful.

But as for "piloting" in the World of DCS, after experiencing it in VR for so long, on the "2D pancake", I just can't anymore, and I mean I just can't land, can't tell where I'm at, what's going on, no situational intuition, and it's just not "the full experience" I desire now. VR has ruined my PC flight simming life for sure! Quite a conundrum, huh :cry:?

Good article to read here about what's coming, and don't be mislead by the title. The articles is more about reference hmd's (chips and screens).


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Will be delivered thus afternoon. Any advice on the set-up?

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Nothing special . One thing i would point out is the Hotkeys Action setting on the left of the screen . These functions can be bound directly to joystick buttons , avoiding conflicts with DCS F-key functions . This has confused some as the TiR functions are by default F-keys as well . You'll want to bind "center" for sure (re-centers view)

, and a lot of guys like to bind "pause" as well .

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Never tried the TrackIR software but the software makes a difference.

 

I've tried the Opentrack that came with the Trackhat Clip and on my system it was ok but kind of choppy at times, and the worst regarding delay.

 

Freetrack does not work anymore I think, no maintenance either.

 

FaceTrackNOIR was better than the Trackhat Opentrack, much smoother especially when the framerate goes a bit lower

 

But the best on my rig is Opentrack, the latest revision not from Trackhat, it seems to be using some parts of FacetrackNOIR as with the IR input module. So smooth and delay is much better!

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Coolio thanks

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If there was an option for VR with 2D rendering, VR would function like a really aweseome trackIR, with much of the immersion, but without the depth of 3D, then we would be able to run DCS with the visuals maxed out in VR.

 

 

The one to one mapping only works with VR. Unless you happen to have a 360 screen setup (that still doesn't cover the vertical view)

 

TrackIR was awesome in its days. It became irrelevant because of VR - for me.

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Good stuff. I have been away for a few days but today the Track IR went up, I had to get a USB extension cord, but I have been tinkering with it in ED and DCS. I have to say that I am very impressed and actually kinda giddy.

 

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing that compares to the VR experience but sitting here in my game room, with all lights off and the 55 inch 4k DCS on with this TI thing is way cooler than I expected. I know I will end up doing a bit of both, the Track IR will be the mainstay for ED, but boy oh boy am I torn on DCS. I love the resolution but I love the VR.

 

So in other words now I'm even more torn :)

 

 

Oh am I worthless

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