Kappi Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Had some damage the last few days, including engine power loss, hydraulic pressure loss and a lot of bullet holes, but I got the chopper back in quite some style. So maybe they really improved something... ___________________________________________ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Looking forward to it, Belsimtek!:thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Took some hits too, seemed not that fragile but I didn't do much combat in the Hip. If she is really that fragile it needs to be fixed Asap, that thing should take some beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 she is fragile by 5.56. Can take multiple .50 cal and continue mission, but 5.56 seems to hammer her hard.mi8killbyinfm4.trk I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Donkey Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 In your opinion, isn't the resistence of Mi-8 too low? Certainly. The real deal has a reputation for being of very stout construction; the one we get in DCS is made of styrofoam and tissue paper :) AD Kit: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, Ryzen 7 5800X w/ Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, 2 x 16GB Kingston Fury DDR4 @3600MHz C16, Gigabyte RTX 3070 Windforce 8GB, EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 PSU, HP Omen 32" 2560x1440, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS fitted with Leo Bodnar's BU0836A controller. --Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground, and having all the rules and regulations get in the way! If man was meant to fly, he would have been born with a lot more money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 17, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just for interest sake, does anyone know of or seen any examples of the Mi-8 taking a lot of damage and still flying? Most stuff I read on it, it is not heavily armoured. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just for interest sake, does anyone know of or seen any examples of the Mi-8 taking a lot of damage and still flying? Most stuff I read on it, it is not heavily armoured. Cant get into down range specifics, but yes its what you would call the A10c in the rotorwing world as far as taking hits and getting fellas home. No photo or video proof just some other operators testimony about it.... Like anything right round in the right spot bad things happen. I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 17, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 17, 2019 Yeah, most of my reading talks about armor around the cockpit, but not seeing much else, I will keep looking as well and talk to the team. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 There's a RL video of one eating a Stinger or an Igla and just calmly flying away. According to some sources it did crash land later, but AFAIK the crew survived the incident regardless. So yeah, the RL Hip is indeed a sturdy beast. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 17, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 17, 2019 Here's a video of one IRL being hit by a manpad, and continuing on like it doesn't care. I also agree it has a damage model that leaves it out of balance with the other helicopters in DCS at the moment. Looking back at the tracks, a single ak-74 burst of seven rounds will bring you down pretty reliably. Now - that CAN happen I suppose, but it should definitely not be "likely" or as it is now "almost certain." And not only in the Mi-8. I'd fly it a LOT more if this were brought into balance with the other helos. If I am not wrong, that same helicopter went down after that shot, so I don't think it shrugged it off like it was nothing, it just took a minute or a few for the engine to give out and finally went down. I dont know if this was the result of that one or another one. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Not the same incident 9L. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 17, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 17, 2019 Not the same incident 9L. Copy, I wasn't sure. SO far I have watched the latest track here and I will need to talk to the team. My honest opinion and I am not trying to upset anyone, but I really don't think it's terrible. So hear me out... One, the Mi-8 probably isn't meant to make multiple passes over a bunch of angry enemy soldiers. But it did, so it took a lot of shots NOW the current DM doesn't share its secrets about what is going on (enter my token "cant wait for the new DM" statement). The engine was hit, it was on fire, and eventually failed and the helo crashed, but there was probably enough time to get some distance and put it down safely. The cockpit took a lot of hits and the glass showed that some of those guys should have probably not been feeling well, or feeling at all. So anyway, I did a test myself, set up a MANPAD, the teased it in the Mi-8. So, 1st hit. 2nd hit aaaaaaaand 3rd hit. after that, I was still able to land, although I came in quite hard and broke even more stuff. So it's a little tough for me to say, I don't think you should really be getting in close and personal with angry men and AK-47s. But I will certainly ask around a bit. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 close and personal with angry men and AK-47s No, you definitely shouldn't, but there seems to be a disrepancy between the Huey and the Hip as regards the amount of punishment each can take and still survive. Not saying this is necessarily incorrect though, but enquiring minds would like to know regardless ;) The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grodlund Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I don't think the damage itself is in question. It's more of a feeling that 95 out of 100 hits will always strike the engine. Looking at the bird's silouette, it just seemes odd, given that most of the fuselage is made up of the cargo compartment. And this concerns soldiers with small arms fire. Not really IR missiles. "Your pumping days are over, Megatron!" -Optimus Prime "This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence" -Vyvian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I don't think the damage itself is in question. It's more of a feeling that 95 out of 100 hits will always strike the engine. Looking at the bird's silouette, it just seemes odd, given that most of the fuselage is made up of the cargo compartment. And this concerns soldiers with small arms fire. Not really IR missiles. I think this is it. The good ol' AI just having a hilariously sharp eye. It's just like a Huey in DCS getting hit is almost guaranteed to lose the VHF radio. I'd assume a lot of stories of Mi-8s surviving a lot of fire have to do with the fact that most hits are likely to go straight through the mostly empty cargo cabin making a lot of noise but not a lot of damage to the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted October 17, 2019 ED Team Share Posted October 17, 2019 I don't think the damage itself is in question. It's more of a feeling that 95 out of 100 hits will always strike the engine. Looking at the bird's silouette, it just seemes odd, given that most of the fuselage is made up of the cargo compartment. And this concerns soldiers with small arms fire. Not really IR missiles. And that is what I was wondering, we just made an adjustment to the aircraft AI aiming and such, I think maybe similar changes need to be made to the ground units. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 When the cockpit armor is installed, it usually includes armor plate for the sides of the engines, flight control servos, and the hydraulic compartment. The armor is basically just quarter inch steel plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper175 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 When the cockpit armor is installed, it usually includes armor plate for the sides of the engines, flight control servos, and the hydraulic compartment. The armor is basically just quarter inch steel plate. Thats more than enough to stop 5.56 and Ak fire. Hopefully the INF get tuned a little. Thanks for the info I7-8700 @5GHZ, 32GB 3000MHZ RAM, 1080TI, Rift S, ODYSSEY +. SSD DRIVES, WIN10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Dastardly Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/168201/russian-mi_8-in-syria-survives-direct-manpads-hit.html - that I believe is the aftermath of the video, not the crashing-in-flames result. Most Wanted: the angry Naval Lynx | Seafire | Buccaneer | Hawker Hunter | Hawker Tempest/Sea Fury | Su-17/22 | rough strip rearming / construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msalama Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Yeah Richie, that's the one I was talking about at least. Thanks for sharing. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Dastardly Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Although, that's damage on the right side of the airframe ( I think ) & the missile in the vid hit on the left, so.... either way that is a huge amount of damage it handled. Edited November 2, 2019 by Richard Dastardly Most Wanted: the angry Naval Lynx | Seafire | Buccaneer | Hawker Hunter | Hawker Tempest/Sea Fury | Su-17/22 | rough strip rearming / construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjackk Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I was flying the Mi-8 last night and it is extremely frustrating to be downed on a regular basis by a single soldier with an assault rifle. The Mi-8 should be stronger than the UH1, but that is certainly not the case in DCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash * Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Hopefully the INF get tuned a little. +1 System Specs: AMD Ryzen 5 3600, RX 6900 XT, 64GB RAM // Tobsen CM Kollektiv, VPC CM3 Throttle, VPC WarBRD Rudder Pedals, VPC T-50 CM2 + WarBRD Base VR: HP Reverb G2 Helis: UH-1H / KA-50 3 / Mi-8 / Mi-24P / SA-342 / AH-64D Jets: F-5E / F-14A/B / F/A-18C / MC-2000 / A-10C II / AV-8B / AJS 37 / MIG-21bis / F-16C / F-15E / F-4E (soon) WWII: Spitfire / WWII Assets Pack Tech.: Combined Arms / NS430 / Supercarrier Maps: Nevada / Persian Gulf / Normandie / Syria / South Atlantic Waiting for: BO-105 / OH 58D / CH-47 Chinook / G.91R / Tornado IDS / A-7E Corsair II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephyrius Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 The infantry have always felt more deadly than most vehicles - especially without tracers and superhuman accuracy - so they definitely need to be tuned. On a surprisingly positive note though, I flew the Mi-8 for the first time ever today, and I really enjoyed the damage model...Getting shot up by a humvee, engine fire and losing power but enough to do a crash landing with the rotors flopping, gear buckled but ended up sliding through the snow, then coming to a stop with the glass having been shot up or damaged in the crash, but alive. In the Gazelle it's 2-3 bullets, and then "peeeeeeeeeeew" as the engine dies in a split second and you freefall and get vaporized on the ground instantly. Sure, it's weaker, but it acts the same regardless of if its small arms fire or a missile strike, just seems like a lazy Arma 3-level damage model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delevero Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 its also my impression that the mi8 is to easy to shoot down. as another simmer wrote somewhere then i also kind of given up using the weapons on the heli since i pretty much get shot down everytime since the heli is so fragile. What typical take me down is infantry gunfire, sometimes one single hit will just kill your heli, while in rare cases you can take 5-8 hits without nothing happening ( in the side of the heli ). To me the mi8 feel like its made of glass, and need to be more tough. example if 1x infantry is standing on the landing pad of an oil rig with a rifle with 7.62mm and you get withing firing range and hit.. The soldier wins and heli crash into the ocean. ( ps.. i love the mi8 its a great heli and fly fantastic in dcs ) My best strategy is to stay away from trouble, always run never fight.. and if I dare bring rockets or gun along i shoot from up high on max range and turn hard left or right and fly away after i fire. But in general i avoid the fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) Any news about this please ? Came back to the Mi-8 after 3-4 years not flying it, I really enjoy it right now ! Nice work to the team by the way. But as other mentionned, it seems pretty weak indeed Edited December 10, 2019 by Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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