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Upgrading the software should never be a problem (up to a certain degree of course). It doesn't surprise that strong countries like China and Indea still operate old hardware. And they're strong because of the upgraded software that has been introduced to whatever is available. Very thoughtful from an economic point of view. The USA for example rather write off a whole generation of a specific fighter than upgrading the equipment. I mean Indea for instance used a bloody MiG-21 recently to shoot down a Pakistani F-16! Developing/buying new stuff doesn't guarantee success. Upgrading what is at hand and quite experienced is probably more effective and economical than investing in new projects.

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which is why I'm a big support of Cold war aircraft for DCS

Absolutely, and those birds are still in use around the world. So they could still fit against the modern birds we have. It's an unfair fight for sure.  But yeah, early 80's would be awsome. Stil

Bumping this thread just so the Sukhoi doesn't get forgotten. REDFOR needs its strike aircraft and the Fitter would be... a perfect fit (pun very much intended).

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... still hopin, prayin and wishin :music_whistling:

 

 

Since Soviet jets are already a rare thing to be cleared for development you are going to have to make due with the MiG-23MLA Flogger G in the mean time because that is the only other soviet jet that has been confirmed for development by Razbam so far.

 

 

 

 

 

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Since Soviet jets are already a rare thing to be cleared for development you are going to have to make due with the MiG-23MLA Flogger G in the mean time because that is the only other soviet jet that has been confirmed for development by Razbam so far.

Which is why I'm hopin, prayin and wishin. Need all the powers to make this happen :smilewink:

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Which is why I'm hopin, prayin and wishin. Need all the powers to make this happen :smilewink:

Well by what I know I know that this is out of the hands of Eagle Dynamics. As they are not allowed to do Soviet aircraft because ED is a Russian company. However it is possible for a 3rd party based out of Russia to do it. But then comes the issue of getting all the required documentation, data and finally licensing which the Russian government controls.

 

The one good thing that would make the Su-17 a little for feasible is that it is an older jet that has pretty much been retired.

 

 

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Su-17/22

 

As one the few mid-coldwar tactical bomber, Su-17 is a must have.

 

This would be super cool!

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Interesting plane, I suggested the Su-22 in another thread.

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Interesting plane, I suggested the Su-22 in another thread.

 

 

 

 

Well, whichever is possible or whichever version saw the most action.

 

 

Pretty sure its doable. Its old and retired and there isn't any extremely secret stuff...

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Pretty sure its doable. Its old and retired and there isn't any extremely secret stuff...

You'd be surprised by how secretive they seem to be according to some posts in other threads in that regard.

It's always been an issue with Russian planes and ED and/or third parties. Policies.

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Yea, you right, I should add info about engines, so:

Su-17/Su17K - AL-7F

Su-17M/Su-20/Su-17M2/Su-17M3/Su-17M4/Su-22M4/ Su-17UM,/Su-17UM3/Su-22UM3K - AL-21F3

Su-22/Su-22U/Su-22M/Su-22M3/Su-22UM3 - R-29B-300.

You always nail it with good information :thumbup:

 

 

Separate issue:

Any data on whether the Su-17 is better than the MiG-27 in AG tasking? I looked up some stuff and they both had their AG experience. They both seem to have the same setup of weapons (more or less). They both can fire anti-radiation missiles. TV/Laser guided missiles/rockets. Bombs, rockets... The Su-17 can even carry the R-73 (according to Wikipedia) while the MiG-27 R-60M's only, etc.

After comparing the two, I would say the Su-17 is your better choice. And maybe the fact that more countries used it or still do speaks for it.

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In terms of avionics and weapon options, the Su-17M3 and MiG-27D/M are almost the same. The Su-17M4 adds a cockpit TV display to fire Kh-29T.

 

The MiG-27K is on another level with a forward looking optical sight similar to the Su-25T's Shkval, with the addition of a laser that can designate down- and backwards to guide LGBs.

 

The MiG-27 family has an internal SPS-141 jammer which reportetly was very effective against the Hawk SAM. The Su-17 carried SPS-141 as an external pod only.

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