Alpenwolf Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share Posted September 21, 2019 Upgrading the software should never be a problem (up to a certain degree of course). It doesn't surprise that strong countries like China and Indea still operate old hardware. And they're strong because of the upgraded software that has been introduced to whatever is available. Very thoughtful from an economic point of view. The USA for example rather write off a whole generation of a specific fighter than upgrading the equipment. I mean Indea for instance used a bloody MiG-21 recently to shoot down a Pakistani F-16! Developing/buying new stuff doesn't guarantee success. Upgrading what is at hand and quite experienced is probably more effective and economical than investing in new projects. Cold War 1947 - 1991 Discord Helicopters Tournaments Combined Arms Tournaments You can help me with keeping up the server via PayPal donations: hokumyounis@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void78 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) +1000 Su 17(20/22) is one of the icons of a cold war era along with MIG 21,23,25 Edited November 14, 2019 by Void78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungaromaus Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 +1 give us that Sukhoi ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bies Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Every full fidelity plane from Soviet Union would be welcome from obvious reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpenwolf Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 ... still hopin, prayin and wishin :music_whistling: Cold War 1947 - 1991 Discord Helicopters Tournaments Combined Arms Tournaments You can help me with keeping up the server via PayPal donations: hokumyounis@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evoman Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) ... still hopin, prayin and wishin :music_whistling: Since Soviet jets are already a rare thing to be cleared for development you are going to have to make due with the MiG-23MLA Flogger G in the mean time because that is the only other soviet jet that has been confirmed for development by Razbam so far. Edited May 3, 2020 by Evoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpenwolf Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 Since Soviet jets are already a rare thing to be cleared for development you are going to have to make due with the MiG-23MLA Flogger G in the mean time because that is the only other soviet jet that has been confirmed for development by Razbam so far. Which is why I'm hopin, prayin and wishin. Need all the powers to make this happen :smilewink: Cold War 1947 - 1991 Discord Helicopters Tournaments Combined Arms Tournaments You can help me with keeping up the server via PayPal donations: hokumyounis@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evoman Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) Which is why I'm hopin, prayin and wishin. Need all the powers to make this happen :smilewink: Well by what I know I know that this is out of the hands of Eagle Dynamics. As they are not allowed to do Soviet aircraft because ED is a Russian company. However it is possible for a 3rd party based out of Russia to do it. But then comes the issue of getting all the required documentation, data and finally licensing which the Russian government controls. The one good thing that would make the Su-17 a little for feasible is that it is an older jet that has pretty much been retired. https://alert5podcast.podbean.com/e/scramble-04-matt-wags-wagner/ Edited May 4, 2020 by Evoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotenDead Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Well by what I know I know that this is out of the hands of Eagle Dynamics. As they are not allowed to do Soviet aircraft because ED is a Russian company. Mi-24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Mi-24 Does the Mi-24 have sensitive materials in the same way a MiG-29 does? No, it doesn't. At least, in the eyes of the Russian MoD and since ED still has offices in Russia, it's in their interest to listen. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotenDead Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Does the Mi-24 have sensitive materials in the same way a MiG-29 does? No, it doesn't. At least, in the eyes of the Russian MoD How do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-20 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 As one the few mid-coldwar tactical bomber, Su-17 is a must have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gierasimov Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Su-17/22 As one the few mid-coldwar tactical bomber, Su-17 is a must have. This would be super cool! Intel i7-13700KF :: ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI D4 :: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpenwolf Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 Getting the license for eastern planes has always been an issue. Even though it's an old bird. But I'm still hoping! Cold War 1947 - 1991 Discord Helicopters Tournaments Combined Arms Tournaments You can help me with keeping up the server via PayPal donations: hokumyounis@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCabal Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Interesting plane, I suggested the Su-22 in another thread. FC3, Ka-50, A-10C, AJS-37, MiG-21bis, F-14A/B, F/A-18C, F-16C, NTTR, Persian Gulf, Super Carrier, TacView Advanced Next in line: F-5 II , MiG-19 , MiG-23 MLA Wishlist: PA-100 Tornado, F-104 Starfighter, MiG-25 Foxbat, A-6 Intruder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojyrocks Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Interesting plane, I suggested the Su-22 in another thread. Well, whichever is possible or whichever version saw the most action. Pretty sure its doable. Its old and retired and there isn't any extremely secret stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpenwolf Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 ... Pretty sure its doable. Its old and retired and there isn't any extremely secret stuff... You'd be surprised by how secretive they seem to be according to some posts in other threads in that regard. It's always been an issue with Russian planes and ED and/or third parties. Policies. Cold War 1947 - 1991 Discord Helicopters Tournaments Combined Arms Tournaments You can help me with keeping up the server via PayPal donations: hokumyounis@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpenwolf Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 Interesting plane, I suggested the Su-22 in another thread. Isn't the Su-22 an export version of the -17 and one -22 version even has two seats for training purposes? Cold War 1947 - 1991 Discord Helicopters Tournaments Combined Arms Tournaments You can help me with keeping up the server via PayPal donations: hokumyounis@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat155 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Su-17 Family tree is a bit complicated, so I did diagram. I hope this will explain most confusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Arrow Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 foxbat: nice graph, there were also two engine options (for export at least) R-29 and AL-21F. In my opinion Su-17M4 with AL-21F would probably be the best variant for DCS :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat155 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Yea, you right, I should add info about engines, so: Su-17/Su17K - AL-7F Su-17M/Su-20/Su-17M2/Su-17M3/Su-17M4/Su-22M4/ Su-17UM,/Su-17UM3/Su-22UM3K - AL-21F3 Su-22/Su-22U/Su-22M/Su-22M3/Su-22UM3 - R-29B-300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpenwolf Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Yea, you right, I should add info about engines, so: Su-17/Su17K - AL-7F Su-17M/Su-20/Su-17M2/Su-17M3/Su-17M4/Su-22M4/ Su-17UM,/Su-17UM3/Su-22UM3K - AL-21F3 Su-22/Su-22U/Su-22M/Su-22M3/Su-22UM3 - R-29B-300. You always nail it with good information :thumbup: Separate issue: Any data on whether the Su-17 is better than the MiG-27 in AG tasking? I looked up some stuff and they both had their AG experience. They both seem to have the same setup of weapons (more or less). They both can fire anti-radiation missiles. TV/Laser guided missiles/rockets. Bombs, rockets... The Su-17 can even carry the R-73 (according to Wikipedia) while the MiG-27 R-60M's only, etc. After comparing the two, I would say the Su-17 is your better choice. And maybe the fact that more countries used it or still do speaks for it. Cold War 1947 - 1991 Discord Helicopters Tournaments Combined Arms Tournaments You can help me with keeping up the server via PayPal donations: hokumyounis@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHeN Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Mig-27K is more capable - it's got the BRRRTTski and it's got Kayra (LD/TV optical sensor) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 In terms of avionics and weapon options, the Su-17M3 and MiG-27D/M are almost the same. The Su-17M4 adds a cockpit TV display to fire Kh-29T. The MiG-27K is on another level with a forward looking optical sight similar to the Su-25T's Shkval, with the addition of a laser that can designate down- and backwards to guide LGBs. The MiG-27 family has an internal SPS-141 jammer which reportetly was very effective against the Hawk SAM. The Su-17 carried SPS-141 as an external pod only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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