jcbak Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I know this is not a fair comparison, however X-Plane has released their Vulkan Beta. Using a 2080 Super, I'm getting an increase of just over 5% FPS. X-Plane indicated that Nvidia users weren't going to see a huge increase in performance. AMD users are reporting a bit more in performance based on what I've read in the XP forums. Again, for whatever this is worth. I wouldn't expect Vulkan to be the game changer some folks are hoping for. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]WIN 10, i7 10700, 32GB DDR4, RTX 2080 Super, Crucial 1TB SSD, Samsung EVO 850 500GB SSD, TM Warthog with 10cm extension, TIR5, MFG Crosswind Pedals, Wheelstand Pro, LG 40" 4K TV, Razer Black Widow Ultimate KB[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Pretty impressive on my side. My little test starting at Hamburg Finkenwerder direction north to the city, turning east to fly along river Elbe with the river and all the buildings and trees, clouds and a little fog visible(200-400ft heigt). OpenGL: 25 on runway, on flight 20-26 Vulkan: 45 on runway, on flight 38 -46 Details, nearly maxed out, only AA is not maxed out, 3440x1440 I know this is not a fair comparison, however X-Plane has released their Vulkan Beta. Using a 2080 Super, I'm getting an increase of just over 5% FPS. X-Plane indicated that Nvidia users weren't going to see a huge increase in performance. AMD users are reporting a bit more in performance based on what I've read in the XP forums. Again, for whatever this is worth. I wouldn't expect Vulkan to be the game changer some folks are hoping for. Interesting how different the experiences can be Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1 System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranchPrediction Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 A 5% increase in fps on a monitor? I doubt it. When i tried that certain game way back on opengl it was horrible. Low gpu utilisation. Im certain if i were to try again with vulkan itde be much much better. Even for nvidia cards it should be mich better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Depends . Doesn't sound like 8 gig Vram is gonna cut it any more , at least with 4k or VR . 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordite Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 ...I wouldn't expect Vulkan to be the game changer some folks are hoping for. You should. The long game, so to speak, is to make use of multiple cores. Whether they come through on that is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 my concerns about Vulkan are that the FPS-improvement with 4k resolution from DX11 to Vulkan does not look that good as with 1080p. And since future VR will not compare to 1080 but to 4k and above I don't have too much hope yet. Just hoping this is WIP and future graphic adapters will profit more from Vulkan or DX12 then the actual ones do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastresort77 Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I know this is not a fair comparison, however X-Plane has released their Vulkan Beta. Using a 2080 Super, I'm getting an increase of just over 5% FPS. X-Plane indicated that Nvidia users weren't going to see a huge increase in performance. AMD users are reporting a bit more in performance based on what I've read in the XP forums. Again, for whatever this is worth. I wouldn't expect Vulkan to be the game changer some folks are hoping for. You really need to check that you installed the beta, then clicked the checkbox for Vulkan. My 1080 ti ftw3 with i7-8700k at 4.8ghz setup got a 50% increase in framerates in VR. Many AMD cards are seeing way more than that. DCS is an amazing game, but the need for Vulkan and other engine related changes can't be understated. We still need to address the multicore CPU usage as the norm almost every year is increasing the core count. Vulkan will help to balance the load to the GPU, but for this game to continue in the next decade, it needs to get on par with the new age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkateZilla Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) I know what's in the works, atleast according to rumors, for the next AMD cards. But NVidia won't sit idly by without releasing newer and stronger cards themselves, too. Only the benchmarks will tell. nVidia already has Cards they wont release unless AMD Pushes them. 1. Because they cost too much to fab. 2. Because the retail cost will be high So.. If AMD Pulls off a Home Run w/ rDNA2 and Beats RTX2080 and RTX3080, even by 10% or less. nVidia will give the Go Ahead to Fab the bigger die and sell it for 2x-4x the RTX3080 Price. It dont matter to them how many they sell, because they will claim they have the fastest GFX Card, and People will flock to their products just because. They would literally sell hundreds more RTX3080/3070/3060s Just because they have the Fastest GPU, and only sell maybe a few dozen of those super cards to end users. There's a Reason they have Huge Dies and Core Counts for AI/Super Computers/CGI and those cards are kept in the professional market and not labeled as gaming cards. They Cost too much, and the Price to Performance for gaming is not favorable for anyone that's not backed by a corporation. Matter of fact, RTX Titan. 2499.99 MSRP, 24GB, 4608 CUDA, 72 RT Cores Edited April 9, 2020 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranchPrediction Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Ur exactly right skatezilla. Many of my pc gamer friends who dont know mich about pc hardware are only considering intel and nvidia, even though they dont know anything about intel, nvidia or cpu's and gpu's in general. And yet they want intel amd nvidia! Its really crazy. And when i try to explain them they think im ignorant xD. I really hope rdna 2 is a good card, maybe then my friends will think otherwise. But rdna 2 is defenitelly gonna beat the 2080ti, thats what i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 DCS is an amazing game, but the need for Vulkan and other engine related changes can't be understated. We still need to address the multicore CPU usage as the norm almost every year is increasing the core count. Vulkan will help to balance the load to the GPU, but for this game to continue in the next decade, it needs to get on par with the new age. So true! i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranchPrediction Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Well vulkan will for sure be better but its not bad right now. I get full gpu utilisation, no bottlenecks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino1980 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 How is that status report from the Vulkan team going? @BIGNEWY Can you guus share some info on progress, improvements or otherwise yet? You mentioned they might be ready to share some info a while ago. The Flying Kiwis (TFK) Ryzen 5600X on water, RX6800, 32GB 3200, m.2 boot, 2TB EVO, Rift S, Warthog HOTAS + TFRP, flight chair with bass shakers. AH-64D || A-10IIC || F/A-18C || UH-1 || F-16C || Mig-29 || Spitfire mk.ix || Fw190A8 || Fw190D9 || P-51D || Ka-50 || Mi-8 || Mi-24P || bf109k-4 || P-47 || Mosquito || Combined Arms Persian Gulf || Normandy || Nevada || Syria Supercarrier || NS430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaka Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Vulkan changed VR in my X-Plane 11 from unusable 20fps stutter to a super smooth 80Hz (Index) running at 300% super resolution. Same hardware, nvidia card. It just shows how ridiculously underused the modern hardware has been in flight simulators. As much as I love DCS and it's quality add-ons, I will have to wait for the Vulkan update to make further purchases, as I only fly in VR. If the improvement from Vulkan API in DCS is going to be anything like in X-Plane, it's going to be good times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Vulkan changed VR in my X-Plane 11 from unusable 20fps stutter to a super smooth 80Hz (Index) running at 300% super resolution. Same hardware, nvidia card. It just shows how ridiculously underused the modern hardware has been in flight simulators. As much as I love DCS and it's quality add-ons, I will have to wait for the Vulkan update to make further purchases, as I only fly in VR. If the improvement from Vulkan API in DCS is going to be anything like in X-Plane, it's going to be good times! That won't happen bc X-plane used openGL before Vulkan. DCS is directx11. So the improvement will not be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 That won't happen bc X-plane used openGL before Vulkan. DCS is directx11. So the improvement will not be the same. Thats a good point. But I think ED should do everything possible to gain performance. And they should not underestimate the amount of players, playing DCS because of the vR support. I came from the "other" simulator to DCS just because in DCS I can actually sit in the aircraft in VR and not watch a flat screen. But the supercarrier module is currrently unplayable in VR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Thats a good point. But I think ED should do everything possible to gain performance. And they should not underestimate the amount of players, playing DCS because of the vR support. I came from the "other" simulator to DCS just because in DCS I can actually sit in the aircraft in VR and not watch a flat screen. But the supercarrier module is currrently unplayable in VR.I'm sure ED knows VR is the future and is here to stay. Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Thats a good point. But I think ED should do everything possible to gain performance. And they should not underestimate the amount of players, playing DCS because of the vR support. I came from the "other" simulator to DCS just because in DCS I can actually sit in the aircraft in VR and not watch a flat screen. But the supercarrier module is currrently unplayable in VR. Can't agree more. In fact the first thing I saw of DCS was thru the lenses of a HTC Vive some years ago. A friend said there is a free flight sim to test VR with... and here I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) The point is, I would spend money on any component needed to make DCS run smoothly in VR. But this component I need, does just not exist (yet). A processor with 10 gHz single core spreed and an incredible BUS speed maybe. This is why I think vulkan or whatever is needed to make DCS use the cores more efficient should be the highest priority instead of producing content like the super carrier which I just can enjoy on my flat monitor instead of my immersive VR headset. My system with the Pimax is definitely CPU bottlenecked which I found out in several tests. Edited July 17, 2020 by darkman222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 The point is, I would spend money on any component needed to make DCS run smoothly in VR. But this component I need, does just not exist (yet). A processor with 10 gHz single core spreed and an incredible BUS speed maybe. This is why I think vulkan or whatever is needed to make DCS use the cores more efficient should be the highest priority instead of producing content like the super carrier which I just can enjoy on my flat monitor instead of my immersive VR headset. My system with the Pimax is definitely CPU bottlenecked which I found out in several tests. no doubt VR in DCS will profit significantly from Vulkan - both with FPS and stutter. VR in DCS will profit from new graphic cards this year and form dev's further optimization. The future of VR in DCS has never been looking as bright as today, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guram Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Maybe ED will soon announce DCS 3.0 with Vulkan onboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Maybe ED will soon announce DCS 3.0 with Vulkan onboard Soooon... 2 more years man. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgie79 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Maybe MAC is developed in conjunction with Vulkan (or DX12 maybe?), since it's delayed and not known when it'll be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrohde Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Soooon... 2 more years man. Yep, exactly. :thumbup: PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted July 21, 2020 ED Team Share Posted July 21, 2020 Maybe MAC is developed in conjunction with Vulkan (or DX12 maybe?), since it's delayed and not known when it'll be ready. Vulkan is part of a larger Graphics Engine rebuild, yes it will take time. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Glad to hear ED is still working on it. Being a Pimax user I am really looking forward to that update! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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