Cold War 1947 - 1991

[Alpenwolf]

Behind enemy lines has great potential if both sides commit.

 

Some shots below from yesterday..

How are liking the Ka-50 so far?

[Rabb]

The most popular server at the moment. :)

[Rabb]

[NELLUS]

How are liking the Ka-50 so far?

 

I’m only getting her on the next sale, she sure looks great :thumbup:

 

Great battle tonight, the win went to the Red side.

[Shadow KT]

NELLUS.... what did we talk about screenshots .... Left Alt + 2xY

 

At this point you are ruining good pictures with the bar on purpose :lol:

[NELLUS]

NELLUS.... what did we talk about screenshots .... Left Alt + 2xY

 

At this point you are ruining good pictures with the bar on purpose :lol:

 

Ok...ok here you go :)

 

Yesterdays mission was hands down the most entertaining mission that I have ever played in DCS. Great bloody work Alpenwolf :notworthy:

 

Can we please ditch the AWACS and go back to EWR's, hilos were easily targeted.

Edited August 29, 2020 by NELLUS

[Pathfinder_50]

Best mission I’ve ever played too, lot of teamwork, a ton of people in the server, and the mission is soooo Cool, amazing work Alpen, thx

[QuiGon]

Behind enemy lines has great potential if both sides commit.

 

Some shots below from yesterday..

 

Ok...ok here you go :)

 

Yesterdays mission was hands down the most entertaining mission that I have ever played in DCS. Great bloody work Alpenwolf :notworthy:

I really love those pics! In the heat of the battle you never really notice how beautiful DCS can look like! :thumbup:

[QuiGon]

Best mission I’ve ever played too, lot of teamwork, a ton of people in the server, and the mission is soooo Cool, amazing work Alpen, thx

Indeed, and it seems to be very combined arms heavy, which is cool as it is something different for a change (compared to other servers at least).

[Alpenwolf]

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Can we please ditch the AWACS and go back to EWR's, hilos were easily targeted.

Yeah, good point. The very reason why I started replacing the AWACS planes by EWR vehicles.

[Hiromachi]

Actually, since helos are mentioned. What is the specific role of the SA342 Mistral ?

[Alpenwolf]

Actually, since helos are mentioned. What is the specific role of the SA342 Mistral ?

To be honest, I dislike the Gazelle because of its FM. It's been like that for years and no improvements so far. I can only hope they don't mess up the Kiowa's FM.

The Mistral should provide escort for the M version and the Huey. And with that the main task is shooting down Ka-50's and maybe Mi-8's if needed. However, it's being used to just mess around and not doing what it's there for. I'm aware of that. And I'm only inches from removing it. I'd love to remove all Gazelles actually due to their previously mentioned bugged FM. Only then Blue would have no attack helicopters any more. If the Kiowa proves to be better overall, then the Gazelle will be gone once and for all until its bloody FM gets fixed!

[Pathfinder_50]

To be honest, I dislike the Gazelle because of its FM. It's been like that for years and no improvements so far. I can only hope they don't mess up the Kiowa's FM.

The Mistral should provide escort for the M version and the Huey. And with that the main task is shooting down Ka-50's and maybe Mi-8's if needed. However, it's being used to just mess around and not doing what it's there for. I'm aware of that. And I'm only inches from removing it. I'd love to remove all Gazelles actually due to their previously mentioned bugged FM. Only then Blue would have no attack helicopters any more. If the Kiowa proves to be better overall, then the Gazelle will be gone once and for all until its bloody FM gets fixed!

 

I think that you should replace them by the L version, with the rockets and the 20mm gun, it would be better

[Alpenwolf]

I think that you should replace them by the L version, with the rockets and the 20mm gun, it would be better

You can't destroy Shilkas, Strelas, tanks, BMP-2's, etc. with rockets and guns only without risking getting hit before you're in range to fire. They all outrange you easily.

[Hiromachi]

But how do you destroy them with Mistral than ? If I'm not mistaken it only has air to air missiles.

[Alpenwolf]

But how do you destroy them with Mistral than ? If I'm not mistaken it only has air to air missiles.

Gazelles:

 

Mistral: 4 x AA missiles only

M: 4 x AG (TOW) missiles only

L: A gun pod and a rockets' pod

Minigun: A door-gunner with a minigun

 

I don't own the Gazelle myself and never will. But I know at least enough about it for the missions through players who own it.

[Volator]

You can't destroy Shilkas, Strelas, tanks, BMP-2's, etc. with rockets and guns only without risking getting hit before you're in range to fire. They all outrange you easily.

 

I think he suggested changing the Mistral for the -L version as an escort helicopter while keeping the -M for anti-tank, but I see no reason for that. The Ka-50 can kill other helicopters with guided missiles at long distances, why should Blue have this capability denied by taking away the Mistral?

[Alpenwolf]

I think he suggested changing the Mistral for the -L version as an escort helicopter while keeping the -M for anti-tank, but I see no reason for that. The Ka-50 can kill other helicopters with guided missiles at long distances, why should Blue have this capability denied by taking away the Mistral?

Again, the Gazelle's FM is overall ridiculous. Even jets are having a problem killing it. And that's simply because the pilot can pull extreme and unrealistic maneuvers without damaging his helicopter. So when doing so the rear aspect missiles we have are useless. They are mostly useless against helicopters anyways. Now try hitting an aerobatic Gazelle dancing around like that pulling sudden tight turns and dives with guns. MiG pilots as of late stay away from the Mistrals because their experience with it is awful. Mistral pilots seem to realise that and now you see them chasing any flying object they detect. It's pretty much the only aircraft on the server that is way out of order. And I'm only reluctant to react because Blue would then be left with the Huey alone.

Not sure how far we are from getting the Kiowa and how reliable it will be upon releasing. I'm kind of waiting on it to probably replace the Gazelle completely or at least the Mistral version.

Blue in general needs more helicopters while Red more airplanes.

[Foka1]

I think he suggested changing the Mistral for the -L version as an escort helicopter while keeping the -M for anti-tank, but I see no reason for that. The Ka-50 can kill other helicopters with guided missiles at long distances, why should Blue have this capability denied by taking away the Mistral?

 

 

Mistral has all aspect missile. Since server went rear aspect only, return R-60M then I'm fine with Mistral being on server. Rear aspect missiles don't guide to choppers very well, almost not at all. I wonder actually how AIM-9P and RB-24J guide on choppers, need to test.

 

Also I'm not against removing KA-50's ATGMs. I'm even willing to try to let BLUE have HOT3 ATGMs while KA-50 won't have Vikhrs. But at the same time remove Mistral and add -L version and add appropriate vehicles as targets for such setup.

[Hiromachi]

Well, to be fair we all need more helicopters and airplanes. For instance I need Mi-24, AH-1 and F4 Phantom :)

 

Anyway, I was wondering if next mission you design (especially if you would choose to utilize south western part of the map) could utilize more area. The first mission which revolves around Lebanon / Israel feels very cramped at times, primarily due to higher saturation with air defenses. I'm having a blast, but also prefer how targets are spread further apart in your PG and Caucasus missions.

[NELLUS]

Is there no way to limit/completely remove the Hilo to air missiles and keep the Hilo to tank missiles for the gazelle?

[Foka1]

Is there no way to limit/completely remove the Hilo to air missiles and keep the Hilo to tank missiles for the gazelle?

 

Gazelle versions are all separate in editor. There is clear way to do it and its easy.

[Alpenwolf]

Removing the Gazelle Mistral is easily done. Simply remove it! It's not like you have a Gazelle helicopter that can take all types of weapons. Each Gazelle version is capable of carrying either AA missiles, or ATGM's, or Rockets and a gunpod or minigun. So that's four different Gazelle helicopters. The Mistral was only put to defend friendly helicopters from mainly enemy helicopters.

 

The Kiryat Shmona mission was the first and I did it quickly. I know it's crowded there. In fact, these countries are very small and crowded. On the other hand, in the mission Behind Enemy Lines things are not as crowded at the Syrian-Turkish-Borderline. It was obvious to me from the beginning that at some point I'd need to disregard the borderlines and view the map as some huge terrain with no specific countries and geographical limitations to squeeze more missions out of it. One needs to not think of it as a Syria vs Israel thing. However, there is still room for 2-3 missions within the borderlines and limits.

 

 

I'll consider removing the Mistrals gradually.

[Alpenwolf]

Server News:

 

Operation Kiryat Shmona:

- No AWACS planes any more - EWR's only.

- 2 x AV-8B's were added.

 

Operation Search & Destroy:

- The mission is back online.

- 24 x MiG-29A's available from the beginning at the Shiraz International Airport. R-27R's only for AA missiles.

- 20 x F-14B's available at the Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier. 60 x AIM-7F's only for AA missiles.

- The F-14B's have access to further 24 x AIM-7F's at Lar Airbase should they decide to land there.

[Volator]

Hope this isnt too annoying Alpen, but i need to bring this up again

 

In the mission "Battle over Sukhumi unleashed" the MiG-29's get 12 R-27R's and 24 R-60M's on their spawn base of Maykop, plus 12 R-27R's and 36 R-73's(!) at Sochi, which is much closer to the battle

 

Meanwhile, Tomcats are limited to only 24 Sparrow F's, and can only pick them up at their spawn base of Nalchik

 

Additionally, unlock system in that mission (sinking 2 ships) makes it so either the Tomcat, or the MiG-29, and then then maybe the Tomcat gets unlocked, if someone manages to kill the ships that are already in port

 

The MiG-29's will dominate in close range engagements, having reliable all aspect IR missiles, where as the Tomcats can use their overwhelming number of sparrows in medium range engagements.

It is worth noting that if the tomcat is to rely on the number of missiles it carries, giving both planes the same number of SARH will put the tomcat at a slight disadvantage, as it cannot afford to use it's only counter to the MiG-29's ; that being not getting close and proper BVR. Essentially, Tomcats will run out of SARH much sooner than Fulcrums, if they always take max load of 6 sparrows, vs max of 2 R-27R's

I know the Tomcat can carry up to 6 sparrows, but not letting it have heaters while allowing the 29 to have them (arguably the better one of the 2; AIM-9L vs R-73) seems like a stretch to me. The Tomcat will be dead meat as soon as the MiG-29 manages to close in, which isnt all that difficult if the tomcat stays aggressive

 

Is this missile setup intentional?

Thanks again for the patience. I appriciate what you do Alpen :thumbup:

 

I cannot speak from own experience, but I heard/read the F-14 is more than a match for any other plane on the CWS in a dogfight. It can certainly hold it's own against the FC MiG-29, that plane doesn't simulate it's real-world counterpart too well. After two turns in AB the MiG-29 will run out of fuel anyway.

 

Also, as you already mentioned, in a direct encounter MiG-29 vs. F-14 the latter will have six mrm at its disposal vs. only two for the MiG. It's obvious that the F-14 has all the aces up its sleeves.

 

Server News:

 

Operation Kiryat Shmona:

- No AWACS planes any more - EWR's only.

- 2 x AV-8B's were added.

 

Operation Search & Destroy:

- The mission is back online.

- 24 x MiG-29A's available from the beginning at the Shiraz International Airport. R-27R's only for AA missiles.

- 20 x F-14B's available at the Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier. 60 x AIM-7F's only for AA missiles.

- The F-14B's have access to further 24 x AIM-7F's at Lar Airbase should they decide to land there.

 

No AWACS is cool, and no problem with the AV-8s in there, but now seeing the MiGs and F-14s deprived of any heaters makes me wonder whether the rear-aspect-only faction does more harm than good to the missions. I know rear-aspect-only is much more fun, but if the thing above is the consequence, I'd give it up happily. What's going to happen if the MiG-23 and the F-14A are available? Are we going to take away their heaters, too?

 

Also, you are not falling for the "the MiGs can only carry two MRMs so they are at the advantage over the F-14" argument, are you?

Edited August 30, 2020 by Pilot Ike