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Is this that game that uses the actual floor plans of chernobyl? sounds kinda cool. what's it like? just another FPS?

 

EDIT: ok, I read that site. It sounds like another F.E.A.R.

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I wont get it. FPSs arn't my type. The Only FPS i'm consitering is BF2, and that comes with a new computer in a year or so.

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I odnt like monsters, same as in far cry....nice game but when the mosters came it went awefull....

 

When it was with humans...like ukrainian soldiers that are guarding the plant or something it would be cooler.

Like i trip from the edge of ukraine to tjernobyl....

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Scientists bork things up and its up to you to clean man eating mutant monsters out.

Quake1,2,3,4, Half life1,2, Far Cry, Doom1,2,3, FEAR... etc etc etc etc.

My brother boought Xbox360 and all his FPS's are like this too.

 

How many times has been this story repeated over and over and over and over and over again? Its getting old. I had played very few FPS's, mainly for multiplayer only. I get sore tired of seeing how much similar all FPS's are. Its all about shooting dumb AI units who are presented as armored moving targets. Not that they offer any intelligence or anything they just keep on hurting you in front of your sights untill its dead. Theres nothing to it than brainless repeated trigger pressing, untill the targets life points go to 0. Even if it takes down to a dozen bazooka shots inside a phone booth.

Im sure the market will continue to be flooded by this with no end in sight.

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Scientists bork things up and its up to you to clean man eating mutant monsters out.

Quake1,2,3,4, Half life1,2, Far Cry, Doom1,2,3, FEAR... etc etc etc etc.

My brother boought Xbox360 and all his FPS's are like this too.

 

How many times has been this story repeated over and over and over and over and over again? Its getting old. I had played very few FPS's, mainly for multiplayer only. I get sore tired of seeing how much similar all FPS's are. Its all about shooting dumb AI units who are presented as armored moving targets. Not that they offer any intelligence or anything they just keep on hurting you in front of your sights untill its dead. Theres nothing to it than brainless repeated trigger pressing, untill the targets life points go to 0. Even if it takes down to a dozen bazooka shots inside a phone booth.

Im sure the market will continue to be flooded by this with no end in sight.

 

Valid point. Call of Duty has a different storyline, but you can hardly say they've been imaginative with it :P

 

. . . . and I've got bored with machine-gunning endless ranks of German soldiers now.

 

 

SWAT still works. Rather more of a challenge.

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I don't think it'll be worth my time. I lost interest in FPS when Quake 3 actually sucked (imho) and everything else that came after it was just always the same thing all over again with different and better graphics. OK, Enemy Territory was actually quite fun but for me the era of really good FPS began with Doom and ended with Quake2.

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Rainbow 6 used to be a good series. It actually made you think about how to proceed. You had to create plans for different squads and organize entrances. One or two shots would leave you dead, and firing your weapon uncontrollably would produce no results. The last good one was Raven Shield. This was the simulator of the FPS world.

 

Unfortunately, they've now gone the route that so many others have taken, preferring arcade-like action and drama instead of tactical organization. They could have fixed the poor AI in the previous series and maintained the same type of game play, but no... Sometimes I lament what has become of the gaming industry. It seemed like such a better place when it was not yet commercialized.

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I don't think it'll be worth my time. I lost interest in FPS when Quake 3 actually sucked (imho) and everything else that came after it was just always the same thing all over again with different and better graphics.

 

I almost agree with you (especially about Q3), however a few titles in recent years have kept my interest in the genre. Return to Castle Wolfenstein did a good job of adding a twist to the WW2 genre. And Far Cry -- despite some shortcomings and a bit of a weak end -- came as a breath of fresh air to me. I really enjoyed the atmosphere and more open style of gameplay.

 

Halflife2 was a big disappointment to me after that... a great engine looking for a good game to use it. On the fantasy front, I was pretty disappointed by Oblivion (the gameplay's too open!) but I enjoyed Dark Messiah rather more than I expected; the hand to hand combat was pretty convincing. I also enjoyed Call of Duty1 very much with its varied mix of scenarios, but found COD2 simply more of the same... which isn't a totally bad thing, and I can hardly complain. It was a classic sequel.

 

Overall the reason I keep trying these games is to recapture that Doom1, kill or be killed adrenalin rush. Nothing has ever really succeeded, but of all the games I've mentioned, Far Cry is by *far* my favourite and I have my fingers crossed that Crysis has the same mix of open gameplay and tactics... though preferably a little less in the way of cheesy plot. But then cheesy plot is part of the deal and games aren't really made for old gits who've been playing for far too long. :-)

 

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PS I've had Stalker on pre-order (cheap!) for a couple of years. I think it still has potential, but experience shows that games (and sims for that matter) which have a very long development cycle usually take that long becaus of problems, not because a slow, methodical gameplay genius at work.

 

Still, on subjects like human nature, climate change, and peak oil I'm a dedicated pessimist. When it comes to games I can afford a little optimism... no matter how misguided. ;-)

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I'm actually playing Far Cry now.. It came with my last System's Mother Board, and that was about 2 years ago, but it didn't run too well on that PC...

 

So I never bothered with it until recently, I have a little more time and a stronger PC so I thought I'd give it a try..

 

I like it, of course I have all of the settings on high, and I really have to say that the Cry engine is very good in those lush tropical settings ...

 

I really thinks its cool when you dive under the water, that's very well done...

 

there's a new one coming out called Cyris by Cyrtek some time this month that I'm thinking seriously of looking into...

 

I usually don't like FPS but this one is interesting...

 

I need to do something while waiting for BS to arrive :laugh:

 

 

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I've had Stalker on my list for several years now! It's been delayed that many times. It's based on a classic Russian s/f short story (novella?) by the Strugatsky brothers called 'A roadside picnic', filmed by Andrie Tarkovksy as Stalker. The Chernobyl element has been added to the game by the developers for whatever reason.

 

The story is superb and well worth reading, and is tranlated somewhere on the web.

 

I agree with thesystem that the monsters in Far Cry ruined it, it was great up to that point. I also liked Op flashpoint of course, and fps game that makes me crawl on my belly too scared to shoot at anything for a whole mission must be good, so I'm looking forward to Armed Assault and the Brothers in Arms games made a change.

 

The new Rainbow 6 Vegas game was much better than R6: Lockdown, but they have substituted huge numbers of enemies for difficulty. The AI seems to be much improved though.

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Rainbow 6 used to be a good series. It actually made you think about how to proceed. You had to create plans for different squads and organize entrances. One or two shots would leave you dead, and firing your weapon uncontrollably would produce no results. The last good one was Raven Shield. This was the simulator of the FPS world.

 

Unfortunately, they've now gone the route that so many others have taken, preferring arcade-like action and drama instead of tactical organization. They could have fixed the poor AI in the previous series and maintained the same type of game play, but no... Sometimes I lament what has become of the gaming industry. It seemed like such a better place when it was not yet commercialized.

 

 

Yeah so true but you know there is a new company created by old red storm programersand they working on a game that is going to be what we all used to love. blackfoot studios or something is the company.

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Scientists bork things up and its up to you to clean man eating mutant monsters out.

Quake1,2,3,4, Half life1,2, Far Cry, Doom1,2,3, FEAR... etc etc etc etc.

My brother boought Xbox360 and all his FPS's are like this too.

 

How many times has been this story repeated over and over and over and over and over again? Its getting old. I had played very few FPS's, mainly for .

 

The original story for Stalker was aliens had suddenly visited Earth and left behind random seeming artifacts. Eventually scientists worked out that these amazing treasures were just the trash left over by tourists after 'A Roadside Picnic'. I liked the inherent humility of that, but I guess the game designers didn't. Apparently they have kept a lot of the 'traps' and anomalies from the story though.

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America's Army was pretty darn good, and I don't particularly enjoy fps. It's also the only fps that didn't give me motion sickness. Haven't tried any of the newer versions, but I'm sure they're still better than any fps out there.

ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P

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America's Army was pretty darn good, and I don't particularly enjoy fps. It's also the only fps that didn't give me motion sickness. Haven't tried any of the newer versions, but I'm sure they're still better than any fps out there.

 

You really should try new 2.8 version. It's still best multiplayer tactical shooter.

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You really should try new 2.8 version. It's still best multiplayer tactical shooter.

 

The problem is, just about every site wanted me to register before I can download the game, and I really don't feel like giving out my info.

ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P

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The problem is, just about every site wanted me to register before I can download the game, and I really don't feel like giving out my info.

 

lol, I never give real info; I'm always typing in some crazy bullthing.

There are still few sites that let you download AA2.8 without registering, and you can always get it via torrent.

 

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to play STALKER

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I'll prolly get it, as teh game has many new elements that are not present in anything what is out now.

 

Besides the graphics have been updated to DX9 a while ago to whoever said it will have common graphics...

 

And there were always monsters and real soldiers in teh game from the start.

 

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/stalker/index.html

 

 

 

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You probably wouldn't want to vacation around the exclusion zone that surrounds the infamous nuclear reactor at Chernobyl, which melted down in 1986. But when S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl ships next month, you'll be able to adventure all you want around a fictional version of Chernobyl, set in a universe where the radiation has done strange things to the area. That's because you'll play as a stalker, a heavily armed scavenger looking for valuable artifacts while also battling the mutant creatures and rival stalkers that inhabit the zone. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. blends first-person action with a wide-open world that you can explore at will; you won't be following a linear path, like in so many action games. With the game finally set to ship next month, we caught up with project lead Anton Bolshakov to learn more about the game's advanced features.

GameSpot: Give us an update on the game's development. What aspects of the game is the team working on now?

Anton Bolshakov: We are close to the finish line. The team is preparing the release-candidate version. The feature list is already closed, but we are still correcting some bugs, fine-tuning the balancing, optimizing the game for different PC configurations, and just polishing the game as a whole. So in general, everything is going well and according to plan.

 

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After years of development, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. finally arrives next month.

 

GS: Tell us about the combat in the single-player game. How true to life are the weapons and damage models? Is the game intended to be highly realistic and punishing for less-skilled players?

AB: S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is oriented around realism, so we are doing everything in such a way that the player will feel that everything is real, including graphics, atmosphere, and artificial intelligence. We used the same principle working on weapons in the game.

There are about 30 weapon types, most of them based on real prototypes. Many of these weapons are upgradeable with scopes, grenade launchers, and silencers, just as in real life. The same thing applies with the ballistics. Making apt use of the physics engine, we implemented a large number of interactive gameplay features, which makes the game more realistic and lively. Thus, true bullet ballistics were implemented in the game. To adjust the bullets, we used such parameters as mass, speed of flight, materials-piercing abilities, and environment resistance. As a result, our weapons act very realistically. For example, when you are shooting the Russian Vintorez rifle from long distances, you can see that the bullet is flying in a parabola. That is why while shooting at a target that is far away, you should aim a bit higher.

Real bullet speed makes it necessary to lead your target while shooting at a target that is moving and far away. The same goes for grenades; they use physics, creating physical waves and splinters after the explosion. We also created a ricochet that sometimes can be used to shoot a covered enemy, if you are able to calculate everything correctly, of course. You should remember the ricochet effect so you don't hit yourself accidentally.

Using iron sights is more accurate than shooting from the waist, and shooting while you are sitting is more accurate than shots made while running. You should also take into account the density of materials and the ability to shoot through them--concrete blocks are good cover, while thin metal and wood are not. In addition, we should say that nearly every weapon has different cartridge types (splinter, armor piercing, and so on), each of which has its own physical properties. And don't forget to change your weapons from time to time, as the weapons show realistic wear and tear over time.

We created a realistic damage system where the torso or headshot will be completely different from the hand or leg ones. You will see the proper animations of enemies hit in each body part. After a serious torso hit, the enemies will fall on the ground squirming in pain. The more injured a character is, the more that character's state will change--heavily injured characters will leave tracks of blood (which can be followed). Without dressing a wound, you can bleed to death.

By creating the combat system, we were trying to make it realistic, fun, and as efficient as possible, so we think that beginners will be able to get used to it very quickly. Having familiarized themselves with the weapons properties, players will be able to use them effectively in different combat conditions.

GS: How does the combat in the single-player game differ from standard first-person shooter battles? Will players have to be more concerned about conserving ammo or not being able to heal themselves from damage, for instance?

 

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Detailed ballistics modeling may translate into some of the most realistic firefights yet.

 

AB: The concept of the player's freedom in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. makes the game a lot different than other shooters.

First, the player may approach the game scene from absolutely any point or position. For example, in order to accomplish the task of eliminating the bandits encamped in the factory, the player may go in with guns blazing, or try sneaking up from flanks, or circle the camp around, or use stealth-style play.

Second, with any tactics chosen, the player will obtain a corresponding AI reaction. The universal combat AI we created is taught to skillfully act in any circumstances. Thus, we gave each non-player character virtual hearing and sight. As a result, combat against the AI would start only after NPCs have spotted the player.

For example, a player could sneak up to an army post, snipe an enemy, and hide. Once the other NPCs spot their friend's body, they will react by raising the alarm and seeking out the enemy. As soon as the enemy is detected, the AI will, while shooting, run for cover, reload, and look out for targets. The combat AI was taught to reload guns and search for new cover if wounded. Aside from individual actions, the AI is taught to effectively act as a team. Thus, in battle the AI characters exchange messages with each other and use suppression fire when one of them asks to cover him, and the rest will back him up.

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Who Stalks the Stalkers?

 

AB (cont.): When severely wounding or killing an enemy, the AI will brag about their deed to their team; they also react to losses among their team, some might even panic. We taught the AI to react differently depending on whether it is fighting against one opponent, two, three, or more, so as to have the ability to differentiate the tactics. Thus, if there are two groups fighting with the player involved in one, the other group won't all fire at the player. Instead, the other group will distribute the number of enemies between themselves depending on strength.

 

 

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Developer GSC Game World found easy inspiration for the game, since it's based not far from Chernobyl.

 

Answering to the second part of the question, a considerable part of the gameplay revolves around the survival of the player. By the notion of survival, we mean not only physical survival in the exclusion zone, but also the meticulous planning of equipment, careful movement thorough the zone, and knowing when to fight and when not to. Lack of bullets is also common, especially when the game begins. The player will have to pick up ammunition from slain enemies, look for hidden stashes, trade, and so on.

GS: What role will the environment play in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s battles? We've seen several missions that take place in crowded industrial ruins that provide plenty of cover, but how interactive will the environments be? Will players be able to destroy or deform parts of the world in battle, such as knocking over walls or piles of debris with explosions to provide more cover or crush their enemies underneath?

AB: The large outdoor setting, the highly detailed and complex geometry, and the freedom inside the game give the player an enormous amount of possibilities regarding combat action planning. Using binoculars, the player is able to look over the area, count enemy forces, and find a good spot for attack. The player will find a lot of dynamic objects and physics. For example, by shooting at a gas container that is next to a group of enemies, you may kill more than one with a single shot. Or by shooting out a lamp in an underground area, you will be able to set up an ambush for an enemy stalker.

GS: Given the game's highly open-ended nature, tell us about how the team designed the various battlefields in the game. How will these environments let players take multiple approaches to each battle?

AB: In designing levels, we were guided by the idea of creating the most effective battles as possible. First, we determined key points where battles would be interesting, with lots of cover and possibilities of short rushes and work-arounds--for example, a junkyard or a destroyed hangar. We placed a lot of objects that give the player and NPC characters many possibilities and freedom. We changed and shifted these details many times while balancing and testing until the best configurations were found.

GS: Give us an overview of what S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s multiplayer modes will have to offer.

AB: Multiplayer in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. consists of three modes: deathmatch, team deathmatch, and the unique artifact hunt. The first two modes are well known from the other games. Artifact hunt is a mode where the players are split into two teams and fight for artifacts that appear randomly on the map. The task is to take the artifact to your base. The team that has more artifacts wins.

In spite of the fact that the rules of our multiplayer are similar to other games' rules, you will always recognize that S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s unique atmosphere, physics, highly detailed environments, anomalies, and artifacts set the game apart from other multiplayer games.

Among the other features of the multiplayer are dynamic day/night cycles, a ranking system, upgradeable weapons, and different types of cartridges for every weapon type. We specially designed maps for multiplayer. We used professional cyber-sportsmen in designing and balancing maps. Multiplayer supports up to 32 players over LAN or Internet. We'll have the multiplayer beta open soon, and we invite everyone to take a look.

GS: How will the combat system translate to multiplayer play? Will multiplayer S.T.A.L.K.E.R. play like a standard arcade-style multiplayer shooter, or will players still need to worry about dwindling ammo supplies, limited inventory space, and radiation?

AB: It is worth noting that while working on multiplayer, we had to modify and readjust a number of single-player elements, taking in the fact that the combat is being played against other people.

 

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Multiplayer support for up to 32 should mean that the area around Chernobyl becomes hot once again.

 

First, the weapons were readjusted to make the combat closer to reality. Now the player will be able to die from a single headshot, while in single-player, the player would have to absorb half a clip of ammunition. Let me mention, however, that weapons' characteristics were readjusted in multiplayer, taking into account the weapons' balance in the single-player game. In other words, weapons that are weak in single-player remain weak in multiplayer, too.

In the course of the multiplayer testing, we had to implement certain changes in the bullet ballistics. For instance, the air resistance parameter was increased. Now you can't kill an enemy with the basic pistol at a long distance. When using a silencer, the weapon's power was reduced, while at the same time if you shoot with the silencer applied, the opponent will not see the direction of fire on the minimap. Bullet conservation is present only in the artifact-hunt mode, while in the other two modes there is no shortage of bullets.

GS: Finally, is there anything else you'd like to add about S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s combat system?

AB: We are making the combat in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. as interesting as possible, and we are hoping that the players will enjoy their experience as much as we do!

GS: Thank you, Anton.

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