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Well unfortunately this is only going to continue to get worse since ED sent their latest letter stating that they made a ton of money with WW2 planes... Simple planes such as WW2 planes and biplanes and civil aircraft have very little in the way of systems and can be churned out like an assembly line.. They can probably release half a dozen of them in the time it takes to release one modern warplane.

 

I have bought every module available as I have been and will continue to be a DCS supporter, but I will not be purchasing thius module as I do not wish to perpetuate the metamorphosis of DCS into the next Xplane or MS Flight Simulator...

 

My opinion of most of these planes is it is a blatant money grab and I won't support that business model..

 

Now if they want to ease the sting for customers then they need to at least adjust the pricing. Charging the same money for a biplane that is rolled out in a few months vs the F18 and it's complexity is absolutely ludicrous and smacks of a blatant money grab. Simply looks like taking advantage of the very folks that have kept you in business for so many years.

 

Disappointing to say the least...

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Well unfortunately this is only going to continue to get worse since ED sent their latest letter stating that they made a ton of money with WW2 planes... Simple planes such as WW2 planes and biplanes and civil aircraft have very little in the way of systems and can be churned out like an assembly line.. They can probably release half a dozen of them in the time it takes to release one modern warplane.

 

I have bought every module available as I have been and will continue to be a DCS supporter, but I will not be purchasing thius module as I do not wish to perpetuate the metamorphosis of DCS into the next Xplane or MS Flight Simulator...

 

My opinion of most of these planes is it is a blatant money grab and I won't support that business model..

 

Now if they want to ease the sting for customers then they need to at least adjust the pricing. Charging the same money for a biplane that is rolled out in a few months vs the F18 and it's complexity is absolutely ludicrous and smacks of a blatant money grab. Simply looks like taking advantage of the very folks that have kept you in business for so many years.

 

Disappointing to say the least...

 

Hi mate, I believe I read earlier that the pricing will be 20$ compared to the Harrier which is currently 70$.

My take is that the hype has been the biggest problem with the community having expectations raised to fever pitch and the let down when a biplane is announced.

I love flying GA aircraft in Xplane and will probably buy this when its heavily discounted in a sale.

One thing to bear in mind if the Mig21 quality is brought to this module it will very pretty, although I know some people are still waiting for fixes for the Mig I personally never fly it anymore though to be fair I fly choppers almost exclusively.

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I was not aware of that price difference so thank you for that.. That seems reasonable and was about where I thought the price should be considering the differences in complexity and effort required...

 

I still have the same concerns about turning DCS into Xplane but we shall see how this plane is received..

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If it have nothing to do with a combat aircraft or helicopter I´m not going to buy it. Pure and simple.

I think this is a wrong way to go and a new agenda from civil pilots will emerge. Some people will ask for more civil aircrafts and it will divide the community. Just wait and see. It´s already started.

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If it have nothing to do with a combat aircraft or helicopter I´m not going to buy it. Pure and simple.

I think this is a wrong way to go and a new agenda from civil pilots will emerge. Some people will ask for more civil aircrafts and it will divide the community. Just wait and see. It´s already started.

 

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Polychop are floating the idea of a $30 civilian Gazelle module and flat-out say working on it will take time and resources away from any new, potentially military, modules.

 

https://www.facebook.com/PolychopSimulations/posts/1749498342022481?comment_id=1762838840688431&notif_id=1512845967477376&notif_t=feed_comment&ref=notif

 

In a development ecosystem as small as DCS's it's not a case of having extra civilian modules on top of the military ones that would have come out anyway, but a case of having them instead of the military ones.

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DCS is a multi era aircraft type sandbox

The FM developed are the best than any other sims I have played

While I do only combat, I understand that people want also just to fly the aircraft, and do acrobatics. There is a market for this, even if you don't like it, they are part of the community.

 

I don't see why adding pure civilian aircraft would split the community, they are compatible in multiplayer, unlike the WW2 asset from ED. When you go play online, you go on your favorite type of mission, that's all. No one force you to do something you don't want to

 

Devs need money, doing a fully simulated modern aircraft is a long shot. Over a long period of time you don't have income, you release it, then the sells slowly reduce other time. But they still need to update it, meaning work, and that's why they need in the meantime to release other module. As stated by Wags, WW2 aircraft are "easily" done and the return of investment is better than modern jets. So why should LLC not do it ? As long as they keep updating the mig-21 and do other combat aircrafts, there is not really a problem

 

Remember also that people on facebook or on this forum do not represent the majority of the DCS population. Many customers just play offline, and are the silent majority


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DCS is a multi era aircraft type sandbox

The FM developed are the best than any other sims I have played

While I do only combat, I understand that people also just to fly the aircraft, and do acrobatics. There is a market for this, even if you don't like it, they are part of the community.

 

I don't see why adding pure civilian aircraft would split the comunity, they are compatible in multiplayer, unlike the WW2 asset from ED.

 

Devs need money, doing a fully simulated modern aircraft is a long shot. Over a long period of time you don't have income, you release it, then the sells slowly reduces other time. But they still need to update it, meaning work, and that's why they need in the meantime to release other module. As stated by Wags, WW2 aircraft are "easily" done and the return of investment is better than modern jets. So why should LLC not do it ? As long as they keep updating the mig-21, there is not really a problem

 

Remember also that people on facebook or on this forum do not represent the majority of the DCS population. Many customers just play offline, and are the silent majority

 

Well put and i agree. The majority of aircraft is and probably will be combat ones, so i don't get this drama over one or two civilian modules. Variety is a good thing.

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For What its worth I am sincerely disappointed in this release. I guess the important point is whether this module will sell sufficiently- I'm reasonably confident that there is another platform called P3d that would be great for a CEII but I look for this platform (DCS) to have military aircraft. The community here is for the C in dCs I fail to see what rationale led you guys to waste resources on this module...

In fact this is the fist post in my little life on the internet that I have metaphorically :cry::huh::noexpression::doh: all at the same time.....

 

Having said all this if it supports getting quality development like the F14 out of the door then whatever but please can we resume focus on the "C"

 

myself and P3D are happy enough in the civ world thankyou very much

 

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I get that many people on this forum thread are disappointed and mad that M3 is making the first civilian aircraft for DCS.But let's remember that this is a open sandbox world for both military and civilian aircraft.With Microsoft Flight Simulator 10s outdated graphics,the only other flight sim competitor that has current modern graphics similar to DCS is X-Plane 11.I don't count P3D,since it still uses the FSX engine as a basis.But i would love to see more civilian models in this sim so i won't have to play with FS9 again.

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When i look in other forums in net and reddit it seems that this was really bad move. No all here will say it but not all places are so quiet..

 

I dont have anything against civil plane but i fear that this will get even more 3d party devs to make these, better value and then its goodbye for coldwar/moden era jets and helos.

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+1 M3.

 

Christen Eagle is not an unknown plane. Being in the same league with Pitts Special makes it a hell of a nimble plane.

 

Any plane into DCS World is welcomed as long as they will preserve the flight model accuracy we are already used to.

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I feel like DCS needs full-fidelity unarmed planes like cargo and support planes, but non-military planes just feel out of place. With civ planes, people would need a separate, non-military server, as I can't imagine any Hornet or F-14 would be keen on defending a GE II, but would gladly lay down their virtual lives for escorting a C-130 flown by some guy(s). The result (imo) would be a more fractured MP with everyone trying to play their niche.

 

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Quo Vadis DCS?

 

DCS is a multi era aircraft type sandbox

The FM developed are the best than any other sims I have played

While I do only combat, I understand that people want also just to fly the aircraft, and do acrobatics. There is a market for this, even if you don't like it, they are part of the community.

 

Think from a wider perspective.

 

The Digital Combat Simulator.

Let’s think for the moment that the just recently announced plane was not the CEII but An-26. Nothing more but just an unarmed military transport aircraft. Not exactly a module that everyone would strive for. Let’s assume that only a small part of community buys it. Still, the mission designers can use it, build a missions where squad mates could fly transport and fighter as an escort. It could be used in Blue Flag to fly the supplies between bases or a combat decant. The opportunities are as many as the content creator’s imagination. Not only those who are interested in such module would benefit from havin it but the whole DCS platform as such. Isn’t that a great reason to support development even though the module is not directly on a personal main interest list? Until yesterday there really had been a reason for buying decision reaching much deeper and beyond of just “you don’t like it, don’t buy it”.

Every module shouldn’t be seen just from a narrow perspective of a single airplane and people that are interested in flying it. The sum of all modules together in DCS is way much beyond every single module separately!

How the CEII will contribute to growing the DCS platform as such? Will the mission designers send it for an AEAD (Amuse Enemy Air Defenses) sortie? For DCS as the combat simulator platform the CEII is just a dead end.

 

The Sandbox

The content can't be dropped just totally randomly. Everyone is aware about a burning issue of disproportion between the East and West bloc planes. How many years it took for DCS to have a solid foundation for a consistent WW2 era simulation – modules, AI units, WW2 map. Using the sandbox approach it'll take ages until DCS will become more than a great flight model and systems simulator. It’ll remain an in-depth simulator of a Formula 1 car, without possibility to race it against matching cars on a Formula 1 race track.

Until now I really hopped that ED has a long term strategy for delivering a consistent air warfare experience. In example a Super Sabre in 1-2 years, F-105 in 2-4 building a foundations for a Vietnam era. CEII can rise a valid doubt about it.

 

I don't see why adding pure civilian aircraft would split the community, they are compatible in multiplayer, unlike the WW2 asset from ED. When you go play online, you go on your favorite type of mission, that's all. No one force you to do something you don't want to.

Digital Civilian Simulator

Does anyone really believe that people flying 737 in other simulators are going to storm DCS due to a great flight model? DCS can attract enthusiasts of a small, GA planes and VFR. This is a niche in an already small niche.

Unfortunately there is also another, deeper problem. It’s obvious to everyone how long it takes to create a module for DCS. The demand is clearly much beyond the capacity. In such situation, opening for a totally new market rather than focusing and increasing a consistent effort on the core business profile IMO is like opening an Pandora box.

There are not so many 3’rd parties. CEII case had created a doubt if after completing a combat module 3’rd party won’t shift to a civ plane. In result the already long overall time between new modules are coming to DCS will further extend.

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Let’s think for the moment that the just recently announced plane was not the CEII but An-26.

 

I think you forgot that the only reason why they even release a CE2 is that they internally had the CE2 as test and development base for WW2 prop-fighter aircraft.

 

I don't see how an An-26 or any other similar type of aircraft that could be of side-use in military would help as test base in developing WW2 prop-fighters.

The only thing I could imagine would be some actual fighter aircraft but that would probably needed much more work than just making their internal thing a little CE2.

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They said themselves they had to make this in order to further develop the F-4U. So I don't understand how this took away development time from anything else, since they had to make this in the first place.

 

As I said in the other thread, there was no reason to create a complete model, including cockpit and avionics, just to develop a single prop flight model.

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