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Ran into this issue again.

 

Tried to delete what you said. Didnt help unfortunately.

 

This is really annoying, because I cant reproduce it.

 

This time it happened after a fresh reboot of the PC. Even rebooting the Pimax didnt help.

 

I don't know. Maybe I will do a fresh re-install of Windows, PiTool and DCS, as I updated the Pimax drivers a lot. And also back and forth between versions.

 

I will be highly thankful if someone comes up with another idea.

 

 

Maybe just a fresh install of PiTool will work. I updated Pitool to 255 and no longer have the options to select my FOV. Strange change. DCS require a IT degree

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For those interested, I have posted all my settings on this thread I started.  Getting anywhere between 50 and 60FPS on just about every map.  Some times it dips to 45, but usually sticking around 50

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For the ground that can be pretty normal since DCS always has a FPS hit on the ground/low altitude. Start a free flight in the air to see what it is. Even then I doubt you'll be able to hold 80 fps

... and here we go again. Same stutters, now in other vR games too. Downgrading to PiTool 253 seems to help. Just some stutters for the first 5 seconds in game. But after that everything runs smoothly. Not sure why they call 255 a stable release then. I will keep investigating.


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I received my 5k+ the middle of last week to try something different that the Rift S after having lots of issues with Oculus Home and somewhat missing multiple monitors FOV (although I would pick VR over it anyway). First impressions was the massive performance hit and slightly less clarity, but the FOV being amazing. But I've been honestly on the fence about it until I went back to the Rift S and instantly knew how horses with blinders feel like! Also my constant connection problems with Oculus Home makes PiTool detecting my 5k+ seem the much better option. So it looks like the 5k+ is here to stay.

 

Here's my question, how much performance boost would I get putting the money I got from selling my Rift S and 1080Ti towards a 2080Ti? Would the on paper about 30% increased horsepower of the 2080Ti plus the RTX's ability to use FFR be actually that noticable to get close to a true 30% increase in DCS with my system in my signature?

 

If I'm not going to get that much of an increase, I'd probably wait for the 30XX cards and possibly put the Rift S sale funds towards Vive Index controllers and 2.0 Lighthouses for room scale. But I will say I have been impressed with the seated experience with just one 1.0 lighthouse for those of you thinking about getting a Pimax without the controllers.

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Yeah the FOV of the Pimax is amazing.

 

Many problems I have, seem to be related to the Pitool version.

 

 

My system is a AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 6x 3.80GHz overclocked to 4.1 GHz with a 2080 TI. And I am running everything on "low" setting, except Cockpit textures. Shadows are set to flat.

I am able to maintain solid 45 fps with motion smoothing when flying over Caucasus. On the runway it drops to 39 fps.

 

When I fly the 8v8 mission with the Hornet framerate drops even below 30 fps.

 

Flying alone over Nevada I was able to peak for some minutes to 90 fps.

 

So my system is CPU bottlenecked. But my processor is one of the fastest available for a reasonable price.

In your case, I would install "fpsVr" via Steam. Its free.

 

It shows you the CPU time too. If you get around 13 - 16 ms CPU time in average and youre able to maintain 45 fps, I would say your 1080 is perfectly fine and you wont get an advantage, neither with a 2080 or a 30xx series.

 

The only thing we can do is wait until ED finishes implementing Vulkan API, wich will help increase CPU time.

 

Because at the moment, for my system, the CPU cant deliver the frames for the GPU to render fast enough.

 

 

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Try that:

Pimax FOV : normal, NO MOTION SMOOTHING!

 

Install fpsVr

Set SteamVr to 3444x2940 which is 80 % here on my steamVr

In DCS: use the Low preset. Set "textures - high" . Set "shadows - low"

Take the "instant action: Free flight over Miralnye Vody" mission with the SU 25T

 

 

Check fpsVr during flight.

On my machine I get 60 fps with 12 ms CPU time.

 

 

So in conclusion. If you get 12 ms CPU but less FPS your PC is GPU bottlenecked. And a 2080TI will improve your performance.

But if you get the same results, or mabe even slower CPU time, your PC is CPU bottlenecked, like mine. And 2080 will not help. But a faster CPU will.

 

I just saw the specs of your machine in your signature. Your CPU is 0,9 Ghz faster than mine. Can you do me a favor and try the exact same thing I described above? I am curious what CPU time you can achieve. That would help my considerations of changing my CPU to an Intel or not.


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Yeah the FOV of the Pimax is amazing.

 

Many problems I have, seem to be related to the Pitool version.

 

 

My system is a AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 6x 3.80GHz overclocked to 4.1 GHz with a 2080 TI. And I am running everything on "low" setting, except Cockpit textures. Shadows are set to flat.

I am able to maintain solid 45 fps with motion smoothing when flying over Caucasus. On the runway it drops to 39 fps.

 

When I fly the 8v8 mission with the Hornet framerate drops even below 30 fps.

 

Flying alone over Nevada I was able to peak for some minutes to 90 fps.

 

So my system is CPU bottlenecked. But my processor is one of the fastest available for a reasonable price.

In your case, I would install "fpsVr" via Steam. Its free.

 

It shows you the CPU time too. If you get around 13 - 16 ms CPU time in average and youre able to maintain 45 fps, I would say your 1080 is perfectly fine and you wont get an advantage, neither with a 2080 or a 30xx series.

 

The only thing we can do is wait until ED finishes implementing Vulkan API, wich will help increase CPU time.

 

Because at the moment, for my system, the CPU cant deliver the frames for the GPU to render fast enough.

 

 

******EDIT*********

Try that:

Pimax FOV : normal, NO MOTION SMOOTHING!

 

Install fpsVr

Set SteamVr to 3444x2940 which is 80 % here on my steamVr

In DCS: use the Low preset. Set "textures - high" . Set "shadows - low"

Take the "instant action: Free flight over Miralnye Vody" mission with the SU 25T

 

 

Check fpsVr during flight.

On my machine I get 60 fps with 12 ms CPU time.

 

 

So in conclusion. If you get 12 ms CPU but less FPS your PC is GPU bottlenecked. And a 2080TI will improve your performance.

But if you get the same results, or mabe even slower CPU time, your PC is CPU bottlenecked, like mine. And 2080 will not help. But a faster CPU will.

 

I just saw the specs of your machine in your signature. Your CPU is 0,9 Ghz faster than mine. Can you do me a favor and try the exact same thing I described above? I am curious what CPU time you can achieve. That would help my considerations of changing my CPU to an Intel or not.

Thanks for reminding me about fpsVR! Oculus doesn't support it but I had heard of it and wanted it then but forgot about it after I switched to Pimax.

 

I got the i7-9700kf because with DCS only utilizing 3 CPU cores and really only one well, it was the most single core performance I could afford. I use this website as my general CPU benchmarks and I think it does a decent job. Note that I linked specifically the single core graph. For most other games you can stick to the overall, but specifically DCS and most other flight sims, single core performance is still king.

 

With those settings in DCS, I am getting an average of around 10 ms for my CPU time and 18 ms GPU time, so definitely GPU bound and about 45 fps. However my 80% SteamVR setting on Normal FOV is only 2756x2352, which is what I ran.

 

If DCS could thread across your cores better, you would get better performance than me with stock CPU frequencies for sure. I don't know if you play a lot of other games or not, the Ryzen chips are great deals for sure when using modern gaming engines that multi-thread effectively. As my second link shows, I had to pay almost $130USD for my CPU than yours and in almost all other programs it out performs mine, except for DCS and other sims that have limited CPU threading. I think this would probably do more than Vulkan since it would allow for multi-thread processors to be better utilized for those of us CPU bound. But Vulkan would probably help the GPU bound like me.

 

Of course the other factor is the overclock, which is just 100mhz higher than the turbo setting for my CPU (4.9ghz) and only 400mhz than your turbo. I'll try to get some time later to run it with the stock CPU timings to see if that puts me back to being CPU bound.

 

 

So yes, a 2080Ti will give me better performance, but wonder if it is worth it. To afford it, I have to sell my Rift S (and 1080Ti), so I'd be giving up the VR headset that gives me great performance for what may only be moderate increase in the Pimax. The two general comparison websites I use for GPUs say an 24% to 32% increase but rarely do you actually get that full percent increase. If we are talking say only 10% effective performance increase for DCS, that's only about 49 fps, but the full 32% would be almost 60 fps with the setting you had me run. The one thing I can't factor in is the RTX support for FFR, which seems like it could be a big deal for the Pimax with all the extra FOV that doesn't need to be rendered as well.

 

 

Yea, i wonder once the 3080 drops from Nvidia, are we all going to have to also invest in new MoBos, CPU/memory to support it?
Support it no, it will still be a PCIe card. In theory your PCIe lane if not 16x or also higher version (6.0 is coming out next year), it could be motherboard bound, but that generally would take a huge leap in performance for that to happen. Nvidia knows that they will sell more cards if they work with in the confines of the typical motherboard bandwidth even if they could somehow blow the PCIe lanes out of the water at consumer prices.

 

But to not be CPU bound then, who knows...


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Thanks for letting me know your results. Well I dont think it makes sense for me to go for another CPU if the difference between our CPUs is just 2ms. Mostly I play DCS on that machine. So it should be built for it primarily. But changing the CPU wont give me a considerable performance jump, compared to the effort, I'm afraid.

 

 

I know that benchmark site. And when I purchased my CPU it was on the 4th position. Interesting what happened on the market meanwhile.

 

But the result when I compare our both CPUs is very close to the performance results on the site.

You should have around 15% more CPU speed. With overclocking on your side maybe 20 %.

 

If I am on a multiplayer server with 20 ms CPU time, your processor might provide me with 16 ms, which is still way too slow for my 2080 to produce high frame rates.

 

My honest opinion on your upgrade plans for the GPU. Try plaing DCS with the Pimax and your 1080. If your system can keep most of the time 45 fps with motion smoothing, and on multiplayer at least half of the time @45fps , its not worth purchasing a 2080. Because you wont be able to reach 90 fps in a realistic gaming sceanario. And it does not make sense if you can play with 60 fps without motion smoothing with the 2080, but the performance being reduced to 45 fps with motion smoothing anyway.

Because you wont usually play without motion smoothing if your system cant reach 90 fps.

 

And the motion smoothing of the Pimax is much worse than that of the Vive. But the field of view is incredible though. Dont know if you wanna keep the Vive as a backup.

 

 

I would say, if you can play with 45 fps with the 1080. Save the money, wait until Vulkan support is implemented and then upgrade to what will be available on the market at this time in the future.

 

And I tried FFR. Image gets worse. You can clearly see it and cockpit readability gets worse. And NO effect on frame rate. Still stuck at 60 fps in that mission.


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No such issues here.

 

I have a Vive DAS on my Pimax 8K+ and its working great. I have a question for you guys... I'm having problems with getting the headphone audio to go through the headphones of the Pimax/Vive delux audio strap. Which Audio device do you guys use in settings? The Pimax 8K+ has the HDMI connector but it also has the USB connector. Is the headphone audio coming though the HDMI connection or is it coming through the USB connection?

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It is shown as "Speakers USB audio device" in the windows taskbar. I use that and I just connect the DAS to the Pimax via the integrated audio stereo plug on the left side of the Pimax. Works fine for me.

Just of curiosity. So you have the 8K plus, but not the 8K X. I would love to hear of someone who owns it about how it performs.

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I had the 8K, then upgraded to the 8K+. I was going to upgrade to the 8KX but seeing as it may not be widely available for a while I wasn't ready to wait indefinitely and I was really interested in seeing if I could get a clearer image for some of the smaller in-cockpit details. The 8K+ is a little better than the 8K, but not jaw dropping. It did come made from a more robust plastic and it now has the comfort kit as standard which was nice. I sold my 8K for like $400. It sold in like 10 min so maybe I should have sold it for more.

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As far as I know all the other 8K* Pimaxes except the 8KX get a 4k image from the PC and they extrapolate it with an algorithm to make it look like 8k. So the algorithm kinda guesses how the 8k image would look like. Robustness of the 5k is poor too. I have 2 small holes in the housing and comfort is not that great either. But I dont care. The FOV is amazing. If I knew someone who could share his experience with the 8KX performancewise I could decide to order the 8KX when the price drops hopefully.

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8kx

 

I've spent all day pondering about buying one but I can't get any info about whether I need base stations or not as it dosen't ship with them, they are assuming people have ex Vive kit already. typical Chinese product half baked. their website has the headset for sale but controllers, base'es and everything else is sold out. Never heard of a company in such a mess, I wonder how long they will be solvent. Oh well, I think I'll wait to see what else comes out later this year.:cry:

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I've spent all day pondering about buying one but I can't get any info about whether I need base stations or not as it dosen't ship with them, they are assuming people have ex Vive kit already. typical Chinese product half baked. their website has the headset for sale but controllers, base'es and everything else is sold out. Never heard of a company in such a mess, I wonder how long they will be solvent. Oh well, I think I'll wait to see what else comes out later this year.:cry:

For the record you don't need the base stations for 3DOF tracking. Seated in DCS a single lighthouse 1.0 or 2.0 will work for 6DOF. While I agree the company has a lot of issues, they don't make the Vive stuff so they have to drop ship it from other suppliers and getting those Vive items in general right now without having to go through Pimax is hard. Getting the headset from China only took a couple of weeks.

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I've spent all day pondering about buying one but I can't get any info about whether I need base stations or not as it dosen't ship with them, they are assuming people have ex Vive kit already. typical Chinese product half baked. their website has the headset for sale but controllers, base'es and everything else is sold out. Never heard of a company in such a mess, I wonder how long they will be solvent. Oh well, I think I'll wait to see what else comes out later this year.:cry:

 

One of the reasons for me personally Pimax does not fit into my consideration when looking at VR headsets. I know there are folks out there happy with them and that is great for them.

I just have never much cared for the company.

Perhaps someday that might change.

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For the record you don't need the base stations for 3DOF tracking. Seated in DCS a single lighthouse 1.0 or 2.0 will work for 6DOF. While I agree the company has a lot of issues, they don't make the Vive stuff so they have to drop ship it from other suppliers and getting those Vive items in general right now without having to go through Pimax is hard. Getting the headset from China only took a couple of weeks.

 

Thanks for the reply guys, next Question. already mentioned was the Vive base station, the thing is I already have the CV1 which I wondering if I could use their light houses and controllers. If so I will go ahead and order the 8KX. thanks again .

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I hope you have a strong PC to run the 8k. When you receive the 8K, please share your experience about the performance. I am really curious about it. Currently I am running my 4k @ 45 fps with motion smooting which is fine most of the time.


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Thanks for the reply guys, next Question. already mentioned was the Vive base station, the thing is I already have the CV1 which I wondering if I could use their light houses and controllers. If so I will go ahead and order the 8KX. thanks again .
I don't think you will get 6DOF headset tracking with Oculus sensor, they work in a different way. You might be able to use the touch controllers in SteamVR but I'm not sure if it allows it of a non-Oculus headset is being used.

 

I hope you have a strong PC to run the 8k. When you receive the 8K, please share your experience about the performance. I am really curious about it. Currently I am running my 4k @ 45 fps with motion smooting which is fine most of the time.
This for sure. With my Pimax 5k+, I had to slightly turn down from my Rift S visual settings that were often times at full refresh, and I'm happy when Smart Smoothing (ASW) holds 45 fps with the 5k+. But the FOV is amazing!

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I hope you have a strong PC to run the 8k. When you receive the 8K, please share your experience about the performance. I am really curious about it. Currently I am running my 4k @ 45 fps with motion smooting which is fine most of the time.

 

Not sure if i'm going to buy just yet. I have just been on their Forums and Facebook pages and there seems to be a lot of angry and upset people at the moment, it seems like their customer services are lacking somewhat. so i'll wait a month or so. Let the queues die down a bit. Yes my PC should handle it. spec; i9 10900k@5.2ghz, asus rtx 2080ti, 32gb corsair dominator DDR4 3200mhz all watercooled.

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I have had my Pimax 5K+ for over a year and it continues to perform beautifully with excellent clarity. My rig is an i7-7700, 1080Ti, 32 gigs ram, and I always fly in VR.

I have contacted Pimax support on several occasions and always received a prompt and satisfactory answer and I recently requested a refund on the lighthouses and controllers I had previously ordered and received my refund in 5 days.

Looking forward to a new rig and the 8KX when Nvidia issues the 3080Ti.

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I have had my Pimax 5K+ for over a year and it continues to perform beautifully with excellent clarity. My rig is an i7-7700, 1080Ti, 32 gigs ram, and I always fly in VR.

I have contacted Pimax support on several occasions and always received a prompt and satisfactory answer and I recently requested a refund on the lighthouses and controllers I had previously ordered and received my refund in 5 days.

Looking forward to a new rig and the 8KX when Nvidia issues the 3080Ti.

Now that you mention it, I do have Pimax support experience. My shipping label was created within 24 hours after my order but it didn't actually leave the warehouse. I created a support ticket and they got it moving. Most of the the replied were within 24 hours (mostly seemingly due to the 12 hour time difference) with another follow up about a week after it arrived. The key to Pimax support really does seem to be to create a help ticket.

 

 

 

My concern about the 8k+ (or even 5k+) and the 30xx is VRAM. Even at only 80% resolution of the 5k+ with 2x MSAA and 4x AF, I'm filling up my 11GB of VRAM and I think this is why even with my ok CPU frame times, I'm only getting 60-70% GPU utilization while non VR 1440p sometimes I hit 100% GPU with only 8gb VRAM usage.

 

The rumored new 3080 Ti (possibly renamed to 3090) is supposedly only going to up to 12GB VRAM, it's the new Titan that will have 24GB and the regular 3080 will have 11GB. I really think for DCS, VRAM is a bottleneck with Pimax headsets with how many pixels it needs to push in stereo.

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Now that you mention it, I do have Pimax support experience. My shipping label was created within 24 hours after my order but it didn't actually leave the warehouse. I created a support ticket and they got it moving. Most of the the replied were within 24 hours (mostly seemingly due to the 12 hour time difference) with another follow up about a week after it arrived. The key to Pimax support really does seem to be to create a help ticket.

 

 

 

My concern about the 8k+ (or even 5k+) and the 30xx is VRAM. Even at only 80% resolution of the 5k+ with 2x MSAA and 4x AF, I'm filling up my 11GB of VRAM and I think this is why even with my ok CPU frame times, I'm only getting 60-70% GPU utilization while non VR 1440p sometimes I hit 100% GPU with only 8gb VRAM usage.

 

The rumored new 3080 Ti (possibly renamed to 3090) is supposedly only going to up to 12GB VRAM, it's the new Titan that will have 24GB and the regular 3080 will have 11GB. I really think for DCS, VRAM is a bottleneck with Pimax headsets with how many pixels it needs to push in stereo.

 

just a suggestion but turn off the msaa and AF, dont need it. notice difference in frame rates.

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just a suggestion but turn off the msaa and AF, dont need it. notice difference in frame rates.

The shimmering and jaggies are pretty big immersion killers for me, but those are the first thing to turn off if I need the performance. But most of the time since I can't run at full refresh rate with both of those off and them being on still allows for the half refresh rate of smart smoothing, if I'm running smart smoothing it's a wash. VRAM usage hovers at least 95% and actually the time I ran with MSAA and AF off to confirm what I was saying for this post it was 100%.

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My main concern is not the GPU- It is the CPU bottleneck we still have all the time.

 

So Vulkan API is needed so badly at the moment.

 

If I fly over Caucasus with the F18 I end up with a frame rate of 60 fps. But if I use the Su57 Mod, which seems to have a really simplified flight model with very little CPU load I can fly in the same area with 90 fps.

 

So the complexity of the F18 flight model bottlenecks the CPU sending the frames in time to the GPU for a higher frame rate. Even a 3080 or 3090 wont help me in that case.

 

My rig is a Ryzen 5 3600x @ 4,2 GHz.

 

I did the math some posts before, and even upgrading to an intel @ 5 Ghz wont bring me to 90 fps, although my 2080Ti is absolutely capable of.

 

As long as DCS is running mostly on one core, and not able to spread processes on multiple CPU threads, I will be stuck below 90 fps , running 45 fps with motion smooting.

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