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Hope it will not work this way.

 

Current approach is the best, you have stable version and beta just if you want to test it

 

I agree! To me the current method is not broken so don't "fix" it. However I do wonder if we are to expect less frequent updates. Some have gotten spoiled in expecting an update every week and hammering with the question, in these forums "Will there be an update this week"? With a lot of new technology and improved methods on approach to coding things just simply take more time now. I see that it may be a possibility in a way to curb the expectations in the frequency in updates to come.

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maybe because the SP crowd is a large majority?

Also, a lot of people just find steam gauges, iron bombs, and getting up-close and NoE to hit your target more interesting than punching in coordinates and dropping murder bots from 30k ft, 20nm away

Never fly multi player, not since I owned Lock On, what, 20 years ago??   Not my thing, same as a gazillion other players.

Good luck finding other developers, who update their stable versions more frequently than ED. I am used to see big updates only every 6 or 12 months from other game/sim devs, so ED and their 3rd party devs are actually making a good job compared to the others.

 

Oh, it won't be in this genre. I've got other interests wanting part of my gaming budget. :)

 

Until the products they list as "early access" are out of said early access and into some sort of stable AND completed environment, which I don't see happening any time soon...any trimming of patching to less than every couple of weeks isn't going to work.

 

Didn't we used to see patches every couple of weeks? That seems like a good timeline, allowing for time to test/analyze/repair major problems. Did the release of more early access products require the need for more patches? I guess it has. If so, they've created this early access cash monster, so they have to feed it or get it on a diet. Or, it'll go find other food. :D

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BETA VERSION: reserved only for tester team.

 

STABLE VERSION: for public and all modules on store will be always in stable version.

 

Once every one, or two months update to the next stable version.

 

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DCS is the only game I know which uses its instable beta branch as a quasi main release. The whole EA release method promotes it even more.

People are people. Everyone wants the shiny new stuff right now. But the community needs to be forced to stay in stable. There needs to be restricted access to the beta branch. No way around. Otherwise this mess will happen again and again.

 

There is a good reason why beta branches are kept behind locked doors. It hurt the companies reputation if half baked stuff is put out into the public.

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I have stayed on stable branch because of that...

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BETA VERSION: reserved only for tester team.

 

STABLE VERSION: for public and all modules on store will be always in stable version.

 

Once every one, or two months update to the next stable version.

 

BETA VERSION: For those that understand what a Beta version actually is, tests and help find and report bugs to ED. Must sign a wavier clearly stating what OB is before being allowed to download. This would also apply to purchasing a EA module

 

Stable Version: For everyone else, so as to eliminate confusion. Updated 4 times a year , not withstanding new releases. Stable version only gets the modules once out of 1st phase of EA (I.E working damage model, 75% of weapons and systems working properly.)

 

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The OB/EA model is good for ED to bring in early revenue. I'm sure most of their income depends on making new content available. Yes there is something to be said about quality and stable software otherwise we are not able to play and enjoy. If they just focused on bug squashing and constant cleanup with nothing new to offer how long do you think they would stay in business? There simply has to be a balance to stay afloat as a company.

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Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why.

 

If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is.

 

If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me.

 

I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements.

 

I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy.

 

It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy.

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Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why.

 

If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is.

 

If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me.

 

I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements.

 

I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy.

 

It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy.

 

Actually, I don’t think you’re getting it.

 

Stable DCS is not ‘with releases that are complete and tested’ at all. It is just a previous build of the OB without show-stopping bugs. Modules are, in fact, less complete.

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If you can show me any other project of the same complexity that has so many improvements being worked on for your future excitement with an equally small team on an equally small budget that has NO BUGs, I'll gladly join your march.

 

 

For now, I'm just happy with what we have rather than wasting my time being unhappy with what I don't have.

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Actually, I don’t think you’re getting it.

 

Stable DCS is not ‘with releases that are complete and tested’ at all. It is just a previous build of the OB without show-stopping bugs. Modules are, in fact, less complete.

 

 

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Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why.

 

If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is.

 

If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me.

 

I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements.

 

I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy.

 

It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy.

 

 

Well said - and should be common sense. :thumbup:

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Actually, I don’t think you’re getting it.

 

Stable DCS is not ‘with releases that are complete and tested’ at all. It is just a previous build of the OB without show-stopping bugs. Modules are, in fact, less complete.

 

 

Well yes, because said features are tested on OB? How else are they supposed to be completed and tested?

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Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why.

 

 

 

If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is.

 

 

 

If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me.

 

 

 

I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements.

 

 

 

I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy.

 

 

 

It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy.

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Well yes, because said features are tested on OB? How else are they supposed to be completed and tested?

 

Eh? I think you’re misunderstanding the point, and that was what Zimmerdylan said regarding the definition of the Stable version was simply wrong!

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The fact that new EA modules come first to Open Beta and most MP servers are running on it will always push people to use the OB, even if they don't want the "beta" part of it. Since ED doesn't want to change these things around they choose to give more quality to the "beta" part.

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The issue with the OB is that people want the latest thing (module, system etc), they don't want to wait for the Stable, tested release (it still has bugs, but they're not game-breaking) and then they complain that a Beta release can be very buggy at times. It's beyond me.

 

I run OB and I do get frustrated at times, it's only normal, but I try and report bugs when I can and I know that if I'm that broken up about some things, I can always switch to Stable, very easily. It seems that a lot of people forget that. And if a feature or module is not on Stable, it means it's not ready to be on Stable, because it's buggy. But people want to play with the buggy feature, but then complain that it's buggy.

The servers are running the OB because they want to have the latest stuff in order to attract people. ED could always force the OB to run only in SP, but then you don't get any testing done for MP, which can have its own, specific issues, not present in SP.

 

ED can't win no matter what they do, because the community is impatient and most servers contribute to that. People expect updates every week instead of every month or two and aren't willing to wait for OB testing to be done. It's up to the players and server admins to realize that if they want a more stable experience, they need to be patient for it. I do not believe it's ED's job to intervene here.

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ED should close OB for testers that are paid. Noone else. Testers should threat their job serious. Dont use players as a testers because it doesnt work ED!

 

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The issue with the OB is that people want the latest thing (module, system etc), they don't want to wait for the Stable, tested release (it still has bugs, but they're not game-breaking) and then they complain that a Beta release can be very buggy at times. It's beyond me.

 

I run OB and I do get frustrated at times, it's only normal, but I try and report bugs when I can and I know that if I'm that broken up about some things, I can always switch to Stable, very easily. It seems that a lot of people forget that. And if a feature or module is not on Stable, it means it's not ready to be on Stable, because it's buggy. But people want to play with the buggy feature, but then complain that it's buggy.

The servers are running the OB because they want to have the latest stuff in order to attract people. ED could always force the OB to run only in SP, but then you don't get any testing done for MP, which can have its own, specific issues, not present in SP.

 

ED can't win no matter what they do, because the community is impatient and most servers contribute to that. People expect updates every week instead of every month or two and aren't willing to wait for OB testing to be done. It's up to the players and server admins to realize that if they want a more stable experience, they need to be patient for it. I do not believe it's ED's job to intervene here.

 

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ED should close OB for testers that are paid. Noone else. Testers should threat their job serious. Dont use players as a testers because it doesnt work ED!

Oh no, it works very well, that's why they keep it that way and make official statements about it, thanking users for their reports and support. It's just some users are only happy testers when they don't find much bugs...

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ED should close OB for testers that are paid. Noone else. Testers should threat their job serious. Dont use players as a testers because it doesnt work ED!

 

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On what planet do you think ED makes enough money for this strategy to be viable???

 

And it would work if the community used for OpenBeta for purpose for which it was designed, a point that has been repeatedly made throughout this thread by myself and others, and one that is consistently ignored by those with an overblown sense of entitlement.

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Being a closed beta tester is not for everyone, you do need to be capable of testing and conversing with the team when reporting issues in a calm, polite and professional way, implying they are yes men is insulting, and could not be further from the truth.

 

I started as a volunteer tester and enjoy it for many years, the team we have now do some great work and we are grateful for it.

 

Thanks

 

Most people do not understand what being a beta tester is. They think it allows them to get all the new stuff and play with it (have fun), when the reality is its the most boring aspect of software development. If people understood that they would not be lining up at the door to be a tester :thumbup:

 

Bugs will still be released even with beta testing. Some are known and some simply didn't get picked up. Beta testing is not about having fun if you're doing it as it should be done.

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Oh no, it works very well, that's why they keep it that way and make official statements about it, thanking users for their reports and support. It's just some users are only happy testers when they don't find much bugs...
Ofcourse they are polite and thanks. Becouse they have free manpower as tetesters. What can they say then... but as I said it desnt work. So many free testers and look how bad was last patch for OB. It shouldnt happen. In our community there is trend to use OB for daily MP events because OB has more features than stable version what is sometimes really needed. Game is broken in so many aspects that every patch is like heaven... but not the one like we heve last time.

 

My oppinion is ED should revised rheir strategy for testing and for evelving their software. It is really bad if patch that has to repair something breaking many things...ED is serious company not students writing code in their homes...

 

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Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why.

 

If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is.

 

If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me.

 

I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements.

 

I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy.

 

It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy.

 

 

Are you and the Zimmerdylan on this topic actually the same person?

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