Worrazen Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Aw naaaaah! If it only had some way to float! https://www.rt.com/news/369209-admiral-kuznetsov-su-33/ Well, at least the carrier and the crew are getting beta tested, without cost in lives. Edited December 5, 2016 by Worrazen Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaman Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 If the line snaps shouldn't aircraft be on full after burner and on speed to climb away with enough planned fuel to go around? I wonder what has actually happened. There must be more factors than mentioned in news from RT or The Aviationist websites. 1 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Depending on at which point the wire snaps they won't be able to takeoff again. Happens on american carriers as well now and then. 1 DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neldrion Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Tonight I did the first carrier landing in DCS with a SU-33. It was successful. Almost at the same time the SU-33 in real life dropped in the ocean :( Oh-oh ! Quote Vedexent: The technical term for an over ambitious ground attack pilot is "dead". Quote SiThSpAwN: I figure 1.5 will have to buy some roses and chocolates, take 2.0 to a nice restaurant, and if it opens doors and is a gentleman, 1.5 and 2.0 might just get to merge one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Depending on at which point the wire snaps they won't be able to takeoff again. Happens on american carriers as well now and then. How often do these wires snap? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I don't know the exact number. But I am pretty sure we could find some numbers about that somewhere. A few times every cruise I guess. Most of the time nothing too bad happens. But there were also some spectacular cases in the past. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram0506 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 This is, how it could have happened: The wire snapped after the Su-33 was nearly stopped. So there was no speed left to take off again. I7 6700K, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming, EVGA GTX1080Ti SC, 32GB DDR4 @ 3000, Win10 64, BenQ EW3270ZL 2560x1440, VPC WarBRD Base + TM Warthog Grip, TM Warthog Throttle, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals, Oculus Rift S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 That's pretty much exactly what I meant. If the cable snaps late it is pretty bad, and in many cases causes the loss of the aircraft. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram0506 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Yes, barely time enough for the pilot to eject. You feel, that you catched the wire, turn off the afterburner and then everything goes straight to hell... Edited December 5, 2016 by ram0506 I7 6700K, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming, EVGA GTX1080Ti SC, 32GB DDR4 @ 3000, Win10 64, BenQ EW3270ZL 2560x1440, VPC WarBRD Base + TM Warthog Grip, TM Warthog Throttle, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals, Oculus Rift S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunf Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 :( Hope no one got injured. Here's a similar accident on US carrier: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaeagle Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 If the line snaps shouldn't aircraft be on full after burner and on speed to climb away with enough planned fuel to go around? No only if they miss the wire entirely("bolter"), but as others said, its a different story if the aircraft catches the wire and is slowed down before the wire snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG-Vampire Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) No only if they miss the wire entirely("bolter"), but as others said, its a different story if the aircraft catches the wire and is slowed down before the wire snaps. think about on it a bit guys angled deck on carriers is for safety BUT to avoid similar cable snap situations perhaps they should consider this: especially by the russain navy - they operate aircrafts on a nearly (or completely) empty deck landing and take off as well SO image this: on carrier with ski jump if the aircaft approaches and lands on a perfect longitudinal axis of the ship, and one of the wire snaps at close to zero speed of the aircraft then it will be able to take off again - there will be more or less enough distance for a take off emergeny run on the deck towards to that ski jump with an agled deck landing this re-fly wont be able of course this theory will needs redesigning the cable systems and the carrier safety/operating patterns and orders as well (and maybe new wider carriers too) maybe on flat deck us/french carriers as well ...my 2 cents brainstorm ;) Edited December 5, 2016 by NRG-Vampire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I don't know the exact number. But I am pretty sure we could find some numbers about that somewhere. A few times every cruise I guess. Most of the time nothing too bad happens. But there were also some spectacular cases in the past. It's extremely rare in real life from what I've heard. I'd be surprised if it's happened more than a dozen times, because it's devastating while being very easy to prevent. I assume those cables get inspected every chance they get. Not to mention how absurdly strong they are. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Well the loss of an aircraft is a blow, but at least the crew appear to be safe. It could have been far worse if personnel got in the way of that wire when it parted. Carrier operations are always hazardous, so hats off to anyone who works in that environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenan Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 From what I could understant, the MiG loss could have been prevented by landing it in Syria. This one appears to be just a bad luck. Glad pilot is safe. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_A Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 This is sad and is the result of low budget for training (both for pilots and for deck crews) IAF.Tomer My Rig: Core i7 6700K + Corsair Hydro H100i GTX Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 7,G.Skill 32GB DDR4 3000Mhz Gigabyte GTX 980 OC Samsung 840EVO 250GB + 3xCrucial 275GB in RAID 0 (1500 MB/s) Asus MG279Q | TM Warthog + Saitek Combat Pedals + TrackIR 5 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) You dont know what you are talking about. Su-33 pilots are the best among tbe Russian Air Force. A bunch of "specialist" by they own flying the Su-33. Its not because lack of training or competence. This is not 1992. Its an accident because an arrestor cable failure. Something that sometimes happens in all navy air branches. Included US NAVY. Edited December 6, 2016 by Esac_mirmidon " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M460 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Will russia attempt a salvage on those 2 lost aircraft? If not, then 2 new treasures lie on the Mediterranean floor. ARFF!! #I've been dreaming about an unlicensed version of the MIG-31... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 An attemp to destroy the Su-33 lost in 2005 was cancelled because not sensible equipment was installed on board. In this case about yesterday i dont know of the Su-33 crashed was one of the modernised ones and if that new equipment worth the effort to destroy de wreck or rescue the airframe. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 To be fair to T_A, MSN.com is running an article saying: Unlike modern aircraft carriers, the Kuznetsov does not have a catapult system, and the jets it carries must launch off a ramp, which makes the job of takeoff and landing extremely challenging. “We have a very limited number of pilots who can fulfill this task,” Golts said. “I doubt there are many in the world.” though the connection between the ramp and the arrestor wire snapping escapes me, and it seems generally to be a chance taken to run down the Russians rather than a serious report... (maybe they could get the RAF to train up some pilots on the use of a ramp :-) 1 Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenan Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 What does the ramp have to do with landing? It has to do with TAKING OFF, not with landing. Landing on Kuznetsov is essentially the same as landing on the Nimitz or any other U.S. carrier. Elevated ramp has nothing to do with the landing per se. 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 To be fair to T_A, MSN.com is running an article saying: though the connection between the ramp and the arrestor wire snapping escapes me, and it seems generally to be a chance taken to run down the Russians rather than a serious report... (maybe they could get the RAF to train up some pilots on the use of a ramp :-) Yeah, typical nonsense from mainstream media, just wanting to make the Russians look bad, inexperienced, with old tech etc. :music_whistling: Ramp or no ramp, landing the aircraft on carries is same, also ramp vs catapult is not just old vs modern, its different approach, as catapults have their own problems and challenges... but what would "honest" media know about this and real journalism any more :doh: No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 :( Hope no one got injured. Here's a similar accident on US carrier: (00:50) look at the man who jumps to avoid getting hit by the cable. hats off FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Su-33 pilots are the best among tbe Russian Air Force. Wait, they are air force pilots? I would have thought they are navy aviators? :huh: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Thanks for the Russian Air branches lesson. You know what i mean. Yes they are navy pilots. Sorry for the typo " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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