Dappman Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Because people may be holding on to that money to give the module as a Christmas present, time constraints, some sort of expectation, reduced frustrations after day-to-day checking for news and seeing no Viggen, (off chance but still) maybe someone was holding off on vacation days and wanted to save them for the viggen release and go ham.... They will displease the community with delays? If they hold on to the product for an eternity after promising a release and never providing a timeframe or date it just seems like vaporware. Subliminally reduces the reality of the product at the same time hype goes down. Especially with silence, the standing of the developer goes down. This built up demoralization ends up making the "hype-leak" larger and draining more hype from the community. In the ends this ends up with more headaches for everyone with no benefit in the end (if anything more negatives). In the end this conditions the consumer to be frustrated from the time from announcement for development down to the actual release date with sharp increases during these times of delays. I'd rather be an informed and slightly disappointed consumer than frustrated and left in the dark. If they weren't prepared for a release, making announcements on products prematurely when they don't even have a demo reel of the aircraft is on them. Half these 3rd party developers just drop plane announcements randomly because they just felt they may work on that at some point. If each plane is going to take 1-2 years to complete, announcing development on 3 planes ends up being up to 3-6 years of development schedule baring delays and parallel development on updating, bugfixing, and unforeseen circumstances. Not only is it hard to find people who play the same game/simulator for years, but it is hard to ind a product that has survived 10 years without major overhauls etc... These developer also have to then bring their older aircraft to newer DCS standards in future DCS releases. This also brings up another point. Will DCS last 5 more years? 10 more years? will it end up being a different engine altogether where all previous aircraft and systems may also completely have to be redone due to new engine API's? There's plenty of good reason to NOT announce things until you're good and ready and giving time estimates is part of ANY job/career (Especially programming! I remember having to go through the trouble of finding my speed in my first development job compared to my proprietary projects which I could work on at my leisure). Understandably you have to deal with more bureaucratic red tape when requesting information on these combat aircraft, but its not their first rodeo per say. In fact, if there's announcements on development when necessary documentation (or anything pertinent for that matter) has not been secured for development then that's just irresponsibility. Don't use "Devil's advocate" as a way to excuse lack of critical thinking and research. Vacations, Christmas or any other reason does not mean anything. Christmas isn't some magical deadline that if they miss they will lose business. They have not announced a release date only upcoming info on the Viggen. The info is probably delayed now yes, why didn't everyone expect that? They have done it every single time. Literally every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The M Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 They said it's up to ED. They have the module for testing and when they say it is ok, it will be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_corleone Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 The only info we have is this Plus the, around announcement, it will be *ready* This is like the Mirage one year ago... it is not fault from LN.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) It is up to ED to test and decide if its ready to release. That doesnt mean ED is holding it back because of anything other than its not ready enough to go. If the Viggen is not released yet, its because the module isnt ready. I have seen the results of some of ED's testing and I know that it still needs more work yet. You all just need to try and be more patient and not try and find a conspiracy theory in every event... Edited December 9, 2016 by NineLine Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 This is like the Mirage one year ago... it is not fault from LN.. It is always on the developer if its not released yet. If I find a major bug with the next '____' module to be released is it my fault its held back because I found the bug? Silly... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_corleone Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) It is always on the developer if its not released yet. If I find a major bug with the next '____' module to be released is it my fault its held back because I found the bug? Silly... I didn´t say it was your (ED) fault neither. The only thing I want to say is that with the Mirage, at least we´ve got a message from Wags telling us that the module was under "testing" We´ve got nothing like that for the Viggen and hence the theories. Of course is not your obligation to say you are testing it. :D Edited December 9, 2016 by il_corleone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 I didn´t say it was your (ED) fault neither. If its not the developers fault, and its not ED's fault, whose fault is it? And why is there any fault to be thrown around anyways, its purely part of development on what is a very complex module... it takes time, and testing... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_corleone Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 If its not the developers fault, and its not ED's fault, whose fault is it? And why is there any fault to be thrown around anyways, its purely part of development on what is a very complex module... it takes time, and testing... From no one as I said before the post you quoted first, they were throwing things at "LN" because of false adversiting of a date, I wanted to say that that thing was from ED not from LN that already submited it for testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 From no one as I said before the post you quoted first, they were throwing things at "LN" because of false adversiting of a date, I wanted to say that that thing was from ED not from LN that already submited it for testing Its still not on ED, any issues they find will need to be returned to LN to be dealt with. The only mistake right now is giving any sort of release time frame. Just to be clear, I am not saying anything bad about LN either, I know for a fact they would agree that any issues holding the Viggen back would be on them, but its not a bad thing, its just development. Until this module goes up for pre-sale before early access, nobody should be guessing what day it will come out. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_corleone Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Its still not on ED, any issues they find will need to be returned to LN to be dealt with. The only mistake right now is giving any sort of release time frame. Just to be clear, I am not saying anything bad about LN either, I know for a fact they would agree that any issues holding the Viggen back would be on them, but its not a bad thing, its just development. Until this module goes up for pre-sale before early access, nobody should be guessing what day it will come out. Let´s finish this dumb disscusion :) It wil be ready when it´s ready. We hope it will be at least in the time frame they said. Before 2017. Just understand we are eager to fly with her and without many info, things like these happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Until this module goes up for pre-sale before early access, nobody should be guessing what day it will come out. At least we have learned that "very soon" >= "two weeks" ;) A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 At least we have learned that "very soon" >= "two weeks" ;) Its generally 1 month from when it goes on pre-sale. Its not up for pre-sale yet. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Its generally 1 month from when it goes on pre-sale. Its not up for pre-sale yet. Maybe LN will forego a pre-sale and not offer any discounts and come right out the gate with the release....:music_whistling: Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 Maybe LN will forego a pre-sale and not offer any discounts and come right out the gate with the release....:music_whistling: I highly doubt that. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I highly doubt that. I thought "nobody should be guessing" :music_whistling: A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven68 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I highly doubt that. 2017 it is then!! :D Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 8GB 256-Bit GDDR6(Assume the latest driver version) Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 10 Professional Oculus Rift-S /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 I thought "nobody should be guessing" :music_whistling: I'm not guessing... ED isnt going to allow anyone to change the way things are released, but I also dont run ED, so I am only 99.9999999999999999% sure of this. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 The only info we have is this Plus the, around announcement, it will be *ready* I've been thinking about this and still can't decide what to make of it Doesn't that last part seem to imply they'll still be up to their knees in work when the 25th comes around? DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_corleone Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I'm not guessing... ED isnt going to allow anyone to change the way things are released, but I also dont run ED, so I am only 99.9999999999999999% sure of this. Damm...so Leatherneck have lied with their plan of "Showing it and releasing it in no more than 2 weeks" :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfranky Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I'm not guessing... ED isnt going to allow anyone to change the way things are released, but I also dont run ED, so I am only 99.9999999999999999% sure of this. Sorry, you either know for sure or you are guessing. It might be an educated guess but it's still a guess... A warrior's mission is to foster the success of others. i9-12900K | MSI RTX 3080Ti Suprim X | 128 GB Ram 3200 MHz DDR-4 | MSI MPG Edge Z690 | Samung EVO 980 Pro SSD | Virpil Stick, Throttle and Collective | MFG Crosswind | HP Reverb G2 RAT - On the Range - Rescue Helo - Recovery Tanker - Warehouse - Airboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legman Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 The "Two weeks" meme never specified that it was two weeks measured on the Earth. More like Venus. DCS Discord community - https://discord.gg/U8aqzVT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted December 9, 2016 ED Team Share Posted December 9, 2016 Sorry, you either know for sure or you are guessing. It might be an educated guess but it's still a guess... No, I know how modules are released, but I wont say that there are things beyond what I am told. So to that, I have to say this module will be released like all others. I have no reason to believe it would be released any other way. You guys are pretty much clutching at straws now... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunterlund21 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 show a vid of it backing up in game. I was in Art of the Kill D#@ it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helikopter Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Haha this starts to get out of hand. Perhaps someone should step in and straight things out! This is not constructive for anyone LN, ED, consumers. Skickat från min D5803 via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmslash Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Damm...so Leatherneck have lied with their plan of "Showing it and releasing it in no more than 2 weeks" :( No one "lied" to you. This is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts. You're not owed anything. There is no magic deadline that LNS needs to meet to satisfy your wants OR ELSE. Things said months ago are obviously subject to change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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