[REPORTED]su25t sead weapons bug

[salling772]

hello all both kh-58 are bug weapon start tracking but lost lock just before it get to Target 25 mpu just fall out of sky. the 25mpu was this way after last patch

steve seadml1.trk

Edited December 2, 2016 by BIGNEWY
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[razo+r]

make sure you are in range, and that the radar isn't turning itself off

[Winston 60]

I agree that both of these anti-radiation missiles now have a very low probability of hitting a stationary active/emitting SAM radar. I can only get hits now by firing from 3000m or above and from a much closer range than before. This is against SAM's that don't shoot down your incoming anti-radiation missiles like the SA-8 and Tunguska.

 

It looks like, when you're following the missile using the "follow weapon" view, that it always misses the target just enough to not kill it.

 

I reported this months ago no comment from ED and it seems like it's even more noticeable now. I wish I had the time to run a test flight showing these very frequent misses and post a track, but hey.... maybe this is a feature and not a bug? https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2835874&postcount=3

Edited November 13, 2016 by Winston 60

[salling772]

tested at half range in a basic mission i put together

[Kozmyk]

SEAD missiles, especially the 25MPU, seem to be a lot less accurate that they used to be.

I've tested using a few different SP Missions, even the Tutorial and they're falling short or just plain missing (drifting azimuth).

Tried from 7-10km alt and still bad, inside 25km range as well.

Something's not right with them.

 

Kinda spoils them for Blue Flag use...

Edited November 13, 2016 by Kozmyk

[mia389]

After the update they are even worse. I use to shoot below 25km with hits. Now they hit 30% of time at that range

[Winston 60]

ED, can somebody comment on this please? Any beta testers noticed this? Any beta testers reported this? Has ED intentionally reduced the effectiveness of these anti-radiation missiles? ..... or do we have a bug/problem here? :dunno:

[mia389]

I just tested on AGM88s as well. They all missed target. I had a 4 ship F18s to hit single TOR. All 16 Harms missed lol.

[mia389]

Something has changed with new update. All my missions that used AI SEAD are not playable atm.

[jcbak]

I confirm the above posts....several misses.

[USSR_Rik]

Can I see track?

[razo+r]

If you fire at a SAM, make sure, that it doesn't engage your missiles

[BitMaster]

explains why my last SEAD runs on BF server were " not so amusing" :(

[BitMaster]

If you fire at a SAM, make sure, that it doesn't engage your missiles

 

if you fire at a SAM that engages your missile, make sure you ripple anough of them so one eventually makes it thru and gets a HIT :)

 

I tried with Patriot sites...and it took a 4 Su-25T's firing simultaneously 6 each to overcome/spam the defenses... with only 1 Su-25T as a lone rider you have ZERO chance to overcome any bigger site.

Edited November 15, 2016 by BitMaster

[Johnny Dioxin]

Well you have a member of the ED team asking for a track to take a look, so whilst this is disturbing news, it's being looked at so we can't ask for more for now. :)

[Winston 60]

Here you go USSR_Rik. I hope this helps you see it.

 

Here's a track of the first part of a mission we're flying in multiplayer. I flew this single player just to make sure this is also happening in single player as well as multiplayer.

 

The mission parameters are:

* All SA-8 SAM vehicles at Good skill level.

* All are stationary, not moving and no waypoints.

* All are Alarm State = Red State, so they are constantly emitting.

* Two ECM pods are used on my Frogfoot and they are turned on when I get the first solid lock tone.

 

Here's what happens:

 

* First missile, KH-58U, is fired just after Launch Authorized is received. It never even makes it anywhere near the SAM, it falls short.

 

* Second missile, KH-58U, is shot down by one of the SA-8's. Tough luck, it happens!

 

* Third missile, KH-25MPU, is a hit! :thumbup:

 

* Fourth missile, KH-25MPU, fired at one of the remaining SA-8's, is a miss. It hits close by, but misses just enough so as NOT to kill the SAM.

 

* Fifth missile, KH-25MPU, fired at the same SA-8's as missile four, is a miss. It hits close by, but misses just enough so as NOT to kill the SAM.

 

* Sixth and final missile, KH-25MPU, fired at the same SA-8's as missiles four and five, is a miss. It hits close by, but misses just enough so as NOT to kill the SAM.

 

So that's one kill out of six missiles fired within range and all with Launch Authorization, no overrides. I have flown this mission 6 times and this is the best result I ever got using release ver 1.5.5. The single kill here is the exception, usually it's 0 kills for 6 missiles fired, or 5 if you don't count the one they usually manage to shoot down.

 

Track attached, excuse my poor handling of the Frogfoot as my joystick kept coming loose tonight from from it's secure mounting.

LastMissionTrack.zip

Edited November 17, 2016 by Winston 60

[mia389]

Can I see track?

 

Harm.trk is F18s SEAD role against single SA15. Multiple attempts to destroy SA15 fail

 

su25.trk is me flying 25t using MPU against SA15. One hit close enough to kill SA15. Others missed

Harm.trk

su25t.trk

[salling772]

[Isegrim]

 

The missiles turn away just in front of the target. :huh:

[Kozmyk]

Wot no HotFix for 25MPU? :cry:

[Rabb]

I can confirm with F/A-18C and Harms. Tested a lot yesterday. They miss in most cases on active targets.

 

Didn't test Kh-58 or Kh-25MPU. Gonna do it today. Those weapons not working gonna be bad since I've been using them relatively often.

Edited November 21, 2016 by Rabb

[Looney]

BadCRC, can you post the mission file? I'll give it a go in 1.5.4

[Kozmyk]

Scuttlebutt is that 25MPU inherited some A2A genes along the way.

[salling772]

can we get a hot fix on this or a fall back to a old file for the missles this bug has broken all my mission i have made

[salling772]

sead missile are still bug in the new update