Pilotasso Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I also doubt that any good number of pilots online will want to use a cobra at all. ;) They know they can do it, but will they do it once they get into combat? I have yet to see anyone willing to do that without fearing losing precious speed to run away or to reach the target. Supermanueverability implies low speed, to initiate the turn and no aerodynamic controll during the manuever, i.e. you will become exposed during several seconds untill you regain energy, and the flanker has one major disavantage at it: It an enourmous airframe you can spot and aim your weapons at, specialy when it looks like standing still. Any good pilot will avoid this and make a fluid fight turning and twisting as fast as he can, and as umpredictable as he can, and thats a regime other fighters in the east and west can easely overtake given enough engine power and skilled piloting. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I've seen a few people try it now and then when you're on their tail. It almost always ends up with them full of bullets or a sidewinder (Thanks for becoming an immobile target Bob!) And, Alex Hunter, the F-18 doesn't need to do a Cobra. Its handling at high-AoA is undisputed ... period. ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVK_Fox Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Yes, right, unfortunately it wasn't very goot for the Russian engines either, something we're just now finding out eh? Maybe there wa sa -really- good reason why you didn't see certain aircraft do Cobras beind 'we can't do it' ... F-18 can hold 80 AoA all day. What are you talking about? I never saw F-18 doing cobra. Thats all I am talking about. This is original artcile about F-18 and Su-27 in China sea from book Best of the best. I will transalte it. "Súčka si neskor zalietali spolu s Austrálskymi F-18 v Juhočínskom mori pričom pri predvádzaní manévrov museli súčka zapnúť forsáž iba na jednom motore aby F-18 za nimi vôbec stačila. Nato začali manévrový boj s F-18. Akceleráciou a manévrovateľnosťou úplne vypudili Hornety z oblohy. Viktor Pugačev ukázal za ním letiacemu Foxovi čo znamená kobra v manévrovom vzdušnom boji. Z rýchlosti 370 km/h zbrzdil na 120 km/h a "zakobril". Fox lišiacky zahol vľavo, než sa stačil ale spamätať, už mal Pugačeva za sebou. Ten po istom zostrele nasadil plnú forsáž a premenil sa na malú bodku na obzore." "Su flyed next time with (Australian) F-18 in South China sea. During fly Su`s turn on afterburner only on one engine because F18s were not able to join. After that they started fight. Su`s outclassed F-18 from the sky. V. Pugachev showed to Australian pilot Fox (who was behind Pugachev) what cobra does it mean. From 370 km/h Pugachev slowed down to 120 km/h and made Cobra. Fox turned left but when he look after turn around, Pugachev was behind him. " So I am not sure that F-18 is able to do maneuvres like Su. I know that Pugachev is amazing pilot, but as he said: "F-18 and Mirage 2000 are only aircraft that are close to Su-27 in maneuvres. But they are not able to achieve AoA like Su-27 during low speed maneuvres. " Sorry for my translation, I hope you understeand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Your translation is fine; already seen F-18s do the 'walk' at 80KTS, under -full- control of the pilot :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVK_Fox Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Your translation is fine; already seen F-18s do the 'walk' at 80KTS, under -full- control of the pilot :) Thanks, thats cool, Iwould like to see it, dont you know some link or some adress where I can find some videos? I love F-18 and need to see it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I saw it on an air show, but I will try to find a video or youtube or something :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerialHawk Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 What a bunch of crap. Really, you you-know-your-nationality need to quit the you-know-the-nationality is superior to everything bullshit.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bSr.LCsta Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Has anybody seen Raptor performing kulbit or something close to that nameuver? yeah there is a video of that its over 100meg and its called "raptor high AOA" or something, the raptor is at about 20,000 feet though. Chickens need to do it on after take off at 1000m like the MIG-OVT. This threads rocks more harder than the 50 similiar ones before it! is this ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappavis Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Just to chirp in quite late, the F-22 will outperform the Su-27. Quite weird that is, if one consider that the F-22 takes about 25 years to catch up on the Su-27 :lol:. met vriendelijke groet, Михель "умный, спортсмен, комсомолетс" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] [TABLE]SPECS: i9-9900K 32gigs RAM, Geforce 2070RTX, Creative XFi Fata1ity, TIR5, Valve Index & HP Reverb, HOTAS Warthog, Logitech G933 Headset, 10Tb storage.[/TABLE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Thats funny when everybody uses the expression "catch up" when comparing a 4rth gen fighter with another that desperatly needs upgrades. [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukr_Alex Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Thats funny when everybody uses the expression "catch up" when comparing a 4rth gen fighter with another that desperatly needs upgrades. Well we are talking about maneuverbility ;) :Core2Duo @ 435FSB x 7 3.05GHz : ATI x1900xtx: 2GB Patriot @ 435Mhz : WD 250Gb UATA: Seagate 320Gb SATA2: X-Fi Platinum: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexHunter Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I also doubt that any good number of pilots online will want to use a cobra at all. ;) They know they can do it, but will they do it once they get into combat? I have yet to see anyone willing to do that without fearing losing precious speed to run away or to reach the target. Supermanueverability implies low speed, to initiate the turn and no aerodynamic controll during the manuever, i.e. you will become exposed during several seconds untill you regain energy, and the flanker has one major disavantage at it: It an enourmous airframe you can spot and aim your weapons at, specialy when it looks like standing still. Any good pilot will avoid this and make a fluid fight turning and twisting as fast as he can, and as umpredictable as he can, and thats a regime other fighters in the east and west can easely overtake given enough engine power and skilled piloting. Not a question, I too doubt of expediency of application of the given maneuver, a question not in it, a question in that, can or not? My opinion, that really best air fighter now at us in Russia modernized МИГ-31 (БМ) and not modernized too, Is very powerful complex on destruction of any air purposes including purposes executed on technology a stealth, and in the modernized variant it is capable to work and on the perspective AirSpace purposes, the probable opponent;). Открылась бездна звезд полна; Звездам числа нет, бездне дна. (М. В. Ломоносов) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IguanaKing Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Thanks, thats cool, Iwould like to see it, dont you know some link or some adress where I can find some videos? I love F-18 and need to see it :) You might try looking for some Blue Angels videos on the internet. One of their F-18s does the maneuver GG spoke of at every airshow performance. I'm not sure his speed is even as high as 80 knots though, I think its even slower than that. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKULA_OPTIMUS Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I´ve seen an F-18 doing that maneuver last month on a air show. Amazing:thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cristiano Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Mig-35 with 3D TVC owns. Opteron 165@FX-55 :megalol: 2x1GB PQI POWER :thumbup: GF7800GTX XFX OC :thumbup: TrackIR 4 :smilewink: TM Hotas Cougar :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardillita Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Congratulations!!!!!!! finally america could cachup with the su27 habilities. but... the video of the super flanker with vectorial trust still seem to me to have more maneuverability, has the f22 improved that???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaInfinity Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Pretty cool video. As for Russian aircraft vs US aircraft, why even have the discussion? The Russians are designing aircraft for India these days. They can't even afford to keep the military funded. Half the Russian navy is rusting away and they just cancelled two more submarine projects. The Cold war is over, and I for one, having grown up during the cold war am greatfull. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] |Core i7 5820k@3.8ghz|ASUS X99 Deluxe mobo|16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 2666|EVGA GTX980 SLI | 4x500GB Samsung PRO SSD|Corsair RM1000 GOLD|Track IR5|5x LG 27inch LCD| Windows 8.1 PRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 We've been over this before - MiG-35 isn't even close to being imagined as operational ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Congratulations!!!!!!! finally america could cachup with the su27 habilities. but... the video of the super flanker with vectorial trust still seem to me to have more maneuverability, has the f22 improved that???? Ever heard of an F-16 doing a Cobra? It has - (edit) it wasn't before the flanker, it was around 89. Granted, it was a maneuverability test aircraft. For some reason, the USAF did NOT consider this to be a necessary capability for its aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardillita Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Thats funny when everybody uses the expression "catch up" when comparing a 4rth gen fighter with another that desperatly needs upgrades. Very very accurate, 500% agree, some people are happy because a suposed to be 4th generation aircraft has finally done a maneover that fighter with "needed upgrades" can do since many years. I still have not seen a raptor do a cobra at about 15 meters altitude passing in front of people watching. Very funny isn´t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardillita Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Thanks, thats cool, Iwould like to see it, dont you know some link or some adress where I can find some videos? I love F-18 and need to see it :) hey... there is not such link ;) Let´s leave "them" with the happiness of haveing made an "american cobra" jajajajaja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardillita Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Ever heard of an F-16 doing a Cobra? It has - (edit) it wasn't before the flanker, it was around 89. Granted, it was a maneuverability test aircraft. For some reason, the USAF did NOT consider this to be a necessary capability for its aircraft. Sure.... sure... At least 3 people here have requested you to show us that in some video, for sure must be one video right? PLEASE, show it to us, I beg you... jajajajajajaja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Very very accurate, 500% agree, some people are happy because a suposed to be 4th generation aircraft has finally done a maneover that fighter with "needed upgrades" can do since many years. I still have not seen a raptor do a cobra at about 15 meters altitude passing in front of people watching. The latest Su-27 variants are 4th gen. The Raptor is 5th gen. Interestingly enough, the Raptor doesn't need to demonstrate this capability in order to have it, and it has already demonstrated controllability in conditions where the flanker has none. If you can't see it in all the raptor videos, you must be either blind, or you don't know what you're talking about :) Naturally, this is a product of thrust vectoring, and as such any aircraft with TVC will be able to claim the same thing - in other words, there's nothing revolutionary about what the Raptor can do, like there was nothing revolutionary about the Cobra. Very funny isn´t it? Would you think it funny if you, as the F-22's pilot, were told that if you do with with a 100 million dollar plane, you will never get to fly again? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM505 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 We really, *really* need BS to be released. This thread is so much better than the 50 similar threads before it, really! Promise! Perhaps we could now start comparing how the F22 pwns everything else in, say, 'green' recyclable materials, ie how much more environmentally friendly it is? Or perhaps we could have a 'pilot comfort' shoot-out, where the F22's seat is shown to be much more superior to any other seat ever made! Or perhaps we can have an argument about how it has superior tyre life to all other planes in the known universe! Or possibly how superior its paint schemes are! Or.....perhaps I should just not read these threads :) Doh! I just can't keep from hoping that there may be nice video's, or (heaven help me!), actual information in them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardillita Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 GGTharos please please, we are stil, waiting your video or at least a link of f18 or f16 makeing a cobra as you told us they can do. Do you mean that those planes can do a cobra and the Blue Angels never use it in an aerobatic show????? Please boy... come down to earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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