DefaultFace Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Since the update yesterday the slats no longer deploy. Tried it at multiple speeds and altitudes and they never come out. Not sure if it's only the visual model but since the changes in turn performance are pretty drastic since the update I'd assume they aren't being factored into the flight model either. I think alot of people would appreciate some sort of info from the devs about what all was actually changed in the 109 FM and why, considering the changelog was somewhat vague. 9./JG27 "If you can't hit anything, it's because you suck. If you get shot down, it's because you suck. You and me, we know we suck, and that makes it ok." - Worst person in all of DCS "In the end, which will never come, we will all be satisifed... we must fight them on forum, we will fight them on reddit..." - Dunravin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnarre Aggro Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 i second that .... exactly that [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There are two types of fighter pilots - those who have, and those who will execute a magnificent break turn towards a bug on the canopy . . . . http://www.youtube.com/user/schnarrsonvomdach http://www.twitch.tv/schnarre https://www.facebook.com/pages/Schnarre-Schnarrson/876084505743788?fref=ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkRaiderss Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) The plane is wobbly as hell since the update where they listed changes to the control surfaces. I commented this in another thread: The wobbly feeling is at all ranges. Less at high speeds, more at low, but this was the case before as the 109 was more stable at higher speeds. It almost feels like the control surfaces deflect more for smaller movements of the stick. I think the rudder might have the same issue just less pronounced. I had to set a curve on pitch and roll to 20 to make it somewhat comfortable to fly and I never use curves. I'm not saying it's unflyable as I was able to go 5-0 last night but for someone who has flow this plane as much as I do a change like this is pretty drastic. I hadn't seen anything posted or discussed that a change was warranted or requested and coming out after the full release version is strange. As Defaultface pointed out in another thread, the slats may not be deploying either. I did a quick check of my video from last night and it least visually that may be true (hard to see on my phone). Edited September 10, 2016 by DarkRaiderss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saburo_cz Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 I tried to deploy them too, and confirm it. Before last patch slats worked perfectly (their animation). F-15E | F-14A/B P-51D | P-47D | Mosquito FB Mk VI |Spitfire | Fw 190D | Fw 190A | Bf 109K | WWII Assets Pack Normandy 2 | The Channel | Sinai | Syria | PG | NTTR | South Atlantic F/A-18 | F-86 | F-16C | A-10C | FC-3 | CA | SC | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solty Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) From what Schnare said in the other thread I think it goes above and beyond just that. To me it seems like airplane FM got reverted to something early in Beta. The roll rate increase, more elevator authority. It reminds me of this: Edited September 11, 2016 by Solty [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnarre Aggro Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 @solty ... not the right topic for rollrate discussions ... ill send you a pm [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There are two types of fighter pilots - those who have, and those who will execute a magnificent break turn towards a bug on the canopy . . . . http://www.youtube.com/user/schnarrsonvomdach http://www.twitch.tv/schnarre https://www.facebook.com/pages/Schnarre-Schnarrson/876084505743788?fref=ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvi Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Known bug, already reported, thanks! :) Serious uglies Discord 4YA - Project Overlord WW2 Server My DCS Videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnarre Aggro Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 can we close the thread ? I think the "bugreport" was the goal of this thread and therefore it can be closed :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There are two types of fighter pilots - those who have, and those who will execute a magnificent break turn towards a bug on the canopy . . . . http://www.youtube.com/user/schnarrsonvomdach http://www.twitch.tv/schnarre https://www.facebook.com/pages/Schnarre-Schnarrson/876084505743788?fref=ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJockel Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Is this a visual only thing or not? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultFace Posted September 12, 2016 Author Share Posted September 12, 2016 We don't know atm. Most people say it 'feels' like it's not just visual but we all know how much scientific value our feelings have :P. Only definitive answer can come from ED. 9./JG27 "If you can't hit anything, it's because you suck. If you get shot down, it's because you suck. You and me, we know we suck, and that makes it ok." - Worst person in all of DCS "In the end, which will never come, we will all be satisifed... we must fight them on forum, we will fight them on reddit..." - Dunravin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavemanhead Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 It is not visual only. Definitely not! I know the nuances of this plane at many altitudes and it was spot on before the last patch... Now, it feels like it's reverted to an early Beta or even alpha FM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 What I noticed yesterday in a quick fly was pulling stick @400Km/H to get to stall you lose your speed (no slats of course) but once 200Km/H is reached you can be there for ever, turning 200KM/H with full stick back without stalling. I don't think that was like that, nor I know that should be correct or not but feels weird you cannot stall at all. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 What I noticed yesterday in a quick fly was pulling stick @400Km/H to get to stall you lose your speed (no slats of course) but once 200Km/H is reached you can be there for ever, turning 200KM/H with full stick back without stalling. I don't think that was like that, nor I know that should be correct or not but feels weird you cannot stall at all. S! Didn't you have your left wing also suddenly losing any lift? I did the same as you (for me, it was a case of a complete newb taken pants down in MP by a 'stang, I couldn't get a visual so simply pulled stick for a right turn as much as I could and extending flaps.... the usual "Oh shit" newb reaction ;) ), and after reaching the 200kph mark in the right turn, the left wing just dropped and simply stopped my turn. The plane just got back on horizon level, and didn't stall, just stopped the turn. No complete stall ever occured. Though the consecutive occurences of this, I eased on the stick, so I may have prevented the stall myself here. Whisper of old OFP & C6 forums, now Kalbuth. Specs : i7 6700K / MSI 1070 / 32G RAM / SSD / Rift S / Virpil MongooseT50 / Virpil T50 CM2 Throttle / MFG Crosswind. All but Viggen, Yak52 & F16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Didn't you have your left wing also suddenly losing any lift?Negative, rock solid. But it feels even weirder because I use a lengthened Warthog and holding it full back with no consequences is odd. It even made me check all the config just in case something got changed, simplified or whatever, but no :huh:. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnarre Aggro Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 i experienced wingdrop only if i used flaps ... no wingstall without flaps ... i will try what manowar said(no stall at 200km/h) asap... if thats the case - i stop playing until fixed! (i had the same with the c101 ... i didnt fly the plane since then ... its a no-go IMHO) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There are two types of fighter pilots - those who have, and those who will execute a magnificent break turn towards a bug on the canopy . . . . http://www.youtube.com/user/schnarrsonvomdach http://www.twitch.tv/schnarre https://www.facebook.com/pages/Schnarre-Schnarrson/876084505743788?fref=ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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