SkateZilla Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) Besides profits being lost from a free module addition, the A-4E would have to undergo real testing, have real A-4E pilots confirm the systems, be re-coded into C++ for DLLs (iirc only mods do Lua, and the only time Lua is used is for testing purposes) and many other things. It definitely is a dream, but I don't see it capable of being done at this time until the community team work on it way further and do more work to it. The decision to be LUA or DLL is up to the developer and isnt dependant on having SDK access. You are assumming that "real" testing isnt being done, IIRC, All aircraft use LUA for AI and general scripting, only parts that use DLL are the compiled parts that are compiled in the EFM Template or SDK. Please do not comment on Development processes . Edited August 25, 2018 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWC_SLAG Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) How does this sound: A-4’s take off from a carrier, are escorted by F-4’s and/or F-8’s. Mig-21’s are sent up to intersept them, and we have one hell of a fight going on. Any one shot down gets picked up by UH-1’s. Maybe even some F-5’s can get involved. What’s wrong with this picture? We need the F-8 Crusader, the REAL MiG killer. Four 20mm cannon, Sidewinders, 1,000 mph, carrier based. I don’t know how to do a poll. Could someone create one for the Crusader? Sorry, didn’t mean to hi-jack the thread. Thanks in advance Edited August 6, 2018 by TWC_SLAG Added TWC_SLAG Win 10 64 bit, 2T Hard Drive, 1T SSD, 500GB SSD, ASUS Prime Z390 MB, Intel i9 9900 Coffee Lake 3.1mhz CPU, ASUS 2070 Super GPU, 32gb DDR4 Ram, Track IR5, 32” Gigabyte curved monitor, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pedals, Voice Attack, hp Reverb G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert31178 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 the F-8 is a sexy beast, and I love it, however as always it's a matter of right plane and right time, and as such the F-4 and F-105 were in better positions to engage MiG's. I'm going to speculate that if the Navy hadn't retained it's smaller deck carriers, which were unable to host F-4's then the F-8 might not have made it to the fight up North at all. The F-8 had a respectable 6:1 kill record vs the "Peasant Air Force". USN Phantoms corrected a 2:1 ratio, turning in a 12:1 at the conflict's end; this is directly attributed to the graduate level fighter pilot course work at the brand new Top Gun, which was only available to F-4 drivers. "The Real MiG Killer" only shot down 18 of the MiGs during Vietnam, all but two of them were Aim-9 kills, and one of those was an aim-9 kill that was finished up with a "nail in the coffin" guns attack. The Spad had just as many gun kills than The Last Gunfighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG-51_Razor Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 WOW! That is some interesting history! I never would have guessed that the AD and the F8 had the same number of gun kills! Thanks for sharing :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWC_SLAG Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 the F-8 is a sexy beast, and I love it, however as always it's a matter of right plane and right time, and as such the F-4 and F-105 were in better positions to engage MiG's. I'm going to speculate that if the Navy hadn't retained it's smaller deck carriers, which were unable to host F-4's then the F-8 might not have made it to the fight up North at all. The F-8 had a respectable 6:1 kill record vs the "Peasant Air Force". USN Phantoms corrected a 2:1 ratio, turning in a 12:1 at the conflict's end; this is directly attributed to the graduate level fighter pilot course work at the brand new Top Gun, which was only available to F-4 drivers. "The Real MiG Killer" only shot down 18 of the MiGs during Vietnam, all but two of them were Aim-9 kills, and one of those was an aim-9 kill that was finished up with a "nail in the coffin" guns attack. The Spad had just as many gun kills than The Last Gunfighter. I just watched a utube video that said the F-8’s kill ratio was 19:1. I don’t know what number is right, but the F-105 sure wasn’t a threat to the Migs. They were typically escorted by Phantoms. I have heard of only one MiG going down to a F-105. What’s the source for all of those Spad kills? The RF-8 squadron (VFP-62) I was with sent detachments on the FDR to VietNam, where we lost one pilot. Could it be that the Crusader was so good the pilots didn’t need Top Gun training? :) 1v1 with a Phantom, the Crusader ate them alive. TWC_SLAG Win 10 64 bit, 2T Hard Drive, 1T SSD, 500GB SSD, ASUS Prime Z390 MB, Intel i9 9900 Coffee Lake 3.1mhz CPU, ASUS 2070 Super GPU, 32gb DDR4 Ram, Track IR5, 32” Gigabyte curved monitor, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pedals, Voice Attack, hp Reverb G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWC_SLAG Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I just Googled “f-8 Crusader MiG kills”, and it also said 19:1. TWC_SLAG Win 10 64 bit, 2T Hard Drive, 1T SSD, 500GB SSD, ASUS Prime Z390 MB, Intel i9 9900 Coffee Lake 3.1mhz CPU, ASUS 2070 Super GPU, 32gb DDR4 Ram, Track IR5, 32” Gigabyte curved monitor, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pedals, Voice Attack, hp Reverb G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baco Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) And its called the "last gunfighter" because of the change in doctrine for "planes don´t need no guns any more" thingy. And maybe, (this is pure speculation) The Crusader getting so many kills because it DID have a gun was a big factor in reintroducing them as a mandatory requirement into new designs specs.... Edited August 6, 2018 by Baco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baco Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Back to teh Scooter...man this is the reason (well the previouse anouncement) I came back to DCS.. the Scooter is my most coveted plane to be able to fly. It´s the reason i got TK´s sims (Wings over Vietnam, Israel, etc... series) Not likely but of any other sim would come up with a High Fidelity Scooter I would drop DCS in a heart beat and never look back... I just can´t believe the lack of importance they give this plane that its probably one of the longuer serving planes in history, it participated in every single war, skirmish, or conflcit since it came into service and allways making a huge difference for teh operators of such incredible humble and eficient plane. Not to mention the pletora of forces it served and is STILL in SERVICE with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F900EX Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 +1 for getting the A4 as either a semi-free module or paid, its a long shot but the A4 is perfect for DCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I just can´t believe the lack of importance they give this plane (...) Very likely more to do with the problems to negotiate terms of use for intellectual property with a thoughtless aerospace company...? Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceFuel85 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 And its called the "last gunfighter" because of the change in doctrine for "planes don´t need no guns any more" thingy. And maybe, (this is pure speculation) The Crusader getting so many kills because it DID have a gun was a big factor in reintroducing them as a mandatory requirement into new designs specs.... Actually the Crusader only got one or two kills with the guns. The vast majority of the kills were with the Sidewinder. The reason why it was a mandatory requirement was due to the Phantom not having a gun and the trouble it had, not necessarily because the Crusader was so successful with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baco Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Very likely more to do with the problems to negotiate terms of use for intellectual property with a thoughtless aerospace company...? Yet they got permission for a Harier II plus, F/A 18, F 15 Strike Eagle, F 4 Phantom II, Harpoon and Tomahwk missiles.. weird right? All McDonnell Douglas aircrafts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Yet they got permission for a Harier II plus, F/A 18, F 15 Strike Eagle, F 4 Phantom II, Harpoon and Tomahwk missiles.. weird right? All McDonnell Douglas aircrafts...IIRC there was a 3rd party and they couldn't get a viable deal... Not sure if that is the reason, but most often there is more than one aspect. I personally am absolutely happy that the guys made a community project like this. Not only because it is a nice aircraft fitting to the F-14, but because it is something coming from passion and ingenuity. :) Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWC_SLAG Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just to make my feelings clear on the A-4, I’m for it. TWC_SLAG Win 10 64 bit, 2T Hard Drive, 1T SSD, 500GB SSD, ASUS Prime Z390 MB, Intel i9 9900 Coffee Lake 3.1mhz CPU, ASUS 2070 Super GPU, 32gb DDR4 Ram, Track IR5, 32” Gigabyte curved monitor, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pedals, Voice Attack, hp Reverb G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert31178 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 " ......1v1 with a Phantom, the Crusader ate them alive." Well actually...Once the instructors at Top Gun starting sharing ideas with each other and learning the Phantom inside and out the Crusader RAGU instructors had a tough go at it. You should read "The Scream Of Eagles" by Robert Wilcox, it'll explain a lot of things about the F-4 vs the F-8 for you. I would like to see sources reflecting the 19:1 kill ratio, because as far as I can find is the Crusaders shot down either 18 or 19 MiGs, depending on the source, and also suffered three losses to MiG. I went with 18 and did the grade school fraction reduction to arrive at a 6:1 ratio. One main reason why the F-8 earned so few guns kills is because the cannons had a nasty habit of jamming in conditions where the airplane was loaded with more that one positive G. The two confirmed gun kills were both rear shots in a chase type setting, one MiG was probably trying to disengage, the other never knew the Crusader was there. Razor, for you my man: https://theaviationist.com/2015/01/14/the-most-unusual-mig-killer-the-skyraider-air-to-air-victories-on-north-vietnamese-mig-17s/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWC_SLAG Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) Looking in Wikipedia, I found all USA kills in Vietnam. It showed 19 kills by the F-8 in two different lists. Another showed 3 shot down, all by MiG-17’s, all with guns. Since the F-4 served longer in Vietnam, and flew more sorties, maybe kills per sortie would put the F-8 in a better light. I was surprised to also find how well the F-105 scored in number of kills. I didn’t, however, look up how many were lost to air to air engagements. One surprise on the lists was two kills by B-52 tail gunners! I still believe the A-4 would be popular, just not as popular as the Crusader, if brought to DCS. Edited August 7, 2018 by TWC_SLAG Typo TWC_SLAG Win 10 64 bit, 2T Hard Drive, 1T SSD, 500GB SSD, ASUS Prime Z390 MB, Intel i9 9900 Coffee Lake 3.1mhz CPU, ASUS 2070 Super GPU, 32gb DDR4 Ram, Track IR5, 32” Gigabyte curved monitor, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pedals, Voice Attack, hp Reverb G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero.ger Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 given the fact that the F4 has been moved back, you can bet that ED does not share your opinion of the popularity of vietnam aera aircraft 'controlling' the Ka50 feels like a discussion with the Autopilot and trim system about the flight direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 given the fact that the F4 has been moved back, you can bet that ED does not share your opinion of the popularity of vietnam aera aircraft Or maybe its for reasons you don't quite know... kind of a rough assumption to make, isn't it? Come check me out on YouTube! Twitch! Have a listen to the Alert 5 Podcast - YOUR source for the latest combat flight simulation news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWC_SLAG Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 given the fact that the F4 has been moved back, you can bet that ED does not share your opinion of the popularity of vietnam aera aircraft How do you square your assumption of what DCS, or anybody, thinks about Vietnam era aircraft with the A-4, the F-5, the UH-1, the Mig-21, and recent forum discussions about the O-2? TWC_SLAG Win 10 64 bit, 2T Hard Drive, 1T SSD, 500GB SSD, ASUS Prime Z390 MB, Intel i9 9900 Coffee Lake 3.1mhz CPU, ASUS 2070 Super GPU, 32gb DDR4 Ram, Track IR5, 32” Gigabyte curved monitor, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pedals, Voice Attack, hp Reverb G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero.ger Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 quite simply, F4 has been pushed back, so from a buisness standpoint, ED feels its better to release other modules first. but this thread is not the place to diskuss this 'controlling' the Ka50 feels like a discussion with the Autopilot and trim system about the flight direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protea1 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 fantastic CANT WAIT! AMD FX-8350 PALLIT GeForce GTX 1080 [ NVIDIA] CRUCIAL MX500 1TB SDD DELL P4317Q 43" TRACK IR Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog Viacom VoiceAttack [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagrat Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 quite simply, F4 has been pushed back, so from a buisness standpoint, ED feels its better to release other modules first. but this thread is not the place to diskuss thisOr from an effective resource usage standpoint, or any other reason we don't know... ;) it is what it is. And from what I've seen and read so far the community A-4E Skyhawk will push the limits of what SFM / FC3 stands for. And not only because it supports clickable cockpit actions... Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscstaylor Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Man to have a carrier with A-6's, A-4's and A-7's.... I feel faint...Cant wait for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baco Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I personally am absolutely happy that the guys made a community project like this. Not only because it is a nice aircraft fitting to the F-14, but because it is something coming from passion and ingenuity. :) I Most definaly agree, and I am alos thrilled by the A-4! cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carss Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Don't forget, the Forrestal class carriers are also coming for the F-14, which would be perfect for the A-4s ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Planes: FC3, P-51, F-86, F-5E, Mirage 2000, F/A-18, F-14, F-16, Mig-19P :joystick: ED pls gib A-4 and F-4 :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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