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Never thought I'd see cluster bombs dropped on a city in modern times. ROE seems to be as loose as this dispersal pattern. I wonder if the city was evacuated and confirmed to be combatants only.

 

[ame=http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=86e_1455565360]LiveLeak.com - SU-34 attacks Haritan with two cluster bomb strikes[/ame]

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Never thought I'd see cluster bombs dropped on a city in modern times

It happens regularly, it just doesn't get much coverage.

 

It's not a great photo, but it shows Haret Hreik in Lebanon pretty much wiped off the map by the IDF during the 2006 conflict. Haaretz quotes IDF officers to say the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets during that engagement.

Haret_Hreik_Before_After_22_July_2006.png

 

On our TV we see the Russians dropping cluster bombs on the militants fighting the government forces in cities in Syria. In Russia they're watching video of Saudi's dropping cluster bombs on militants fighting the Yemeni government forces in cities in Yemen.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/01/07/yemen-coalition-drops-cluster-bombs-capital-0

I doubt "the city was evacuated and confirmed to be combatants only." in this case either.

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I just remember my time in the U.S. Military where there was frustration over having to strike with expensive precision bombs multiple times, rather than heavy ordnance, in an effort to prevent collateral damage. If there was a mosque, hospital, or school within 5klicks forget about it. I guess it's a product of war weariness and unreasonable political oversight. Cluster bombs are definitely the way to get the job done... unless you're a civie in the wrong place at the wrong time.. but then again I personally would make sure my family was waaay behind the line at all times. This isn't the place to talk about the horrors of war though.. we're more interested in the technology of it. Which is good. :)

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I just remember my time in the U.S. Military where there was frustration over having to strike with expensive precision bombs multiple times, rather than heavy ordnance, in an effort to prevent collateral damage. If there was a mosque, hospital, or school within 5klicks forget about it. I guess it's a product of war weariness and unreasonable political oversight. Cluster bombs are definitely the way to get the job done... unless you're a civie in the wrong place at the wrong time.. but then again I personally would make sure my family was waaay behind the line at all times. This isn't the place to talk about the horrors of war though.. we're more interested in the technology of it. Which is good. :)

 

Hard to stay behind the 'line', when it's constantly being changed and brought to you.

 

Also, if you watch more in-depth coverage, many city districts and towns under rebel/terrorist/ISIS rule in Syria have become ghost cities, and practically fortresses for them.


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Can anyone recognize the aircraft type?

 

Looks like a Su-34 to me.

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View it in full screen. The plane is only really identifiable for a few seconds. Its definitely a Su-34 Fullback. Identifying features are the wide front fuselage, canards, widely separated engines and long tail boom.

 

Su-34

su-34s-formation-over-moscow.jpg

 

Su-24M

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Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills.

 

If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

 

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That's interesting. Do they really risk their Fullbacks in such low level attacks?

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The use of CBU's is now banned by most armed forces now due to the friendly fire and collateral damage risk.

 

 

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That´s right.

 

They are prohibited under the Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) that prohibits the use, transfer and stockpile of CBUs.

 

108 countries has signed the CCM, it is a shame that China, Israel, The United States, India, Brazil and Pakistan aren´t part of it, basically for economics reasons.

 

It is dreadful to see this arms used against a civilian target, and a

 

 

 

 

cowardly behavior by those that order it.

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No problem with the weapon it works as intended. The enemy doesn't follow the Geneva convention they are the cowards hiding within the civilian populace. Not a shame one bit, you obviously have no idea what's going on their and will do the typical lazy boy expert comment like above. Economic reasons Jesus Seriously


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That´s right.

 

They are prohibited under the Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) that prohibits the use, transfer and stockpile of CBUs.

 

108 countries has signed the CCM, it is a shame that China, Israel, The United States, India, Brazil and Pakistan aren´t part of it, basically for economics reasons.

 

It is dreadful to see this arms used against a civilian target, and a

 

 

 

 

cowardly behavior by those that order it.

 

 

That's it the CCM I couldn't remember the name of the treaty off the top of my head

 

 

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No problem with the weapon it works as intended. The enemy doesn't follow the Geneva convention they are the cowards hiding within the civilian populace. Not a shame one bit, you obviously have no idea what's going on their and will do the typical lazy boy expert comment like above.

 

Are you making a case for war crimes or genocide?

 

Economic reasons Jesus Seriously

 

Well, apparently there is this thing called the "military industrial complex" [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5jDi9WYsYs[/ame]


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Are you making a case for war crimes or genocide?

 

maybe. one aspect of the modern concept of "war crime" came as a way to further solidifying the allies' support base in and after ww2, and then this later took on a life of its own.

 

it is as silly as it is hypocritical to threaten an argument with the charge of it being a thought crime.

 

anyways, as i see it, war is waged for an objective and so the only crime in war is not winning.

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i'd have to know what city it is exactly but you have to remember that many of these "cities" have essentially zero civilians remaining due to how long the war has gone on.

 

anyway, a blanket ban on cluster munitions seems dumb because what's the difference really between a clusterbomb and a few big HE ones?

 

what means something is not the weapon you are using, but who you are pointing it at.

 

the whole reason cluster was banned was not because it's a horrifically brutal weapon (it's basically just HE bomblets) where it pales in comparison to nuclear biological chemical, but because a percentage of the bomblets would fail to detonate and create minefields that would kill children and other noncombatants later when they accidentally picked one out of the ground at the site of an old battlefield.

 

this is a technological problem that can be overcome, so designating cluster as some sort of proscribed entirely amoral seems silly.

 

 

tl;dr i don't really see any proof that civilians were killed in this attack. i just see buildings being hit by a russian bomb which happens hundreds of times a day in the theater.

 

maybe if it was recorded 3 years earlier would i worry about civilians being killed in bombing attacks against syrian cities, but as it stands most of the ones being bombed have long been under the control of military force(s) operating in the region.


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^And we have a winner...^

 

>that

>political

 

if that's political the video and the whole thread is

 

i'm talking about weapons used in war and the military situation in a country. it has nothing to do with politics.

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