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[debolestis]

I have one more new print!!!

 

It is an adapter for Microsoft Force Feedback 2 joystick. I've got this joystick as a gift from a member of SimHQ forums. Thank you Ian!!!

 

Here is FFB2 without a grip. I wanted to make an adapter that goes on FFB2 shaft so that it can be used with TM grips.

 

I made two versions V1 and V2.

 

V1 can be used with FLCS, F22, Cougar and Warthog. It mounts permanently on FFB2 base. I didn't print it, because I don't need it now. I printed V2 version. It acts as "regular" TM base on FFB2.

 

Here are photos of printed part:

 

 

There are 8 holes on adapter. I used M3 grub screws to secure the adapter. But any M3 screw can be used.

 

Installed on base:

 

It fits fine and can be secured firmly with screws. It is also possible to rotate it to the left if stick is center mounted.

 

I tested it with warthog grip, but it is too heavy. It comes back to center if stick is pulled backwards but not if pushed up front. I know there are mods that double power to the motors and I'll test them in next few days. Another option is to use FLCS grip with Warthog electronics.

 

Then I tested it with plastic B8 X-fighter grip and it worked very well. In next few days I'll finish electronics and of course I'll post everything.

 

[i_a_n]

I'm glad that FFB2 is going to good use! Thanks for putting this all together. It looks great.

 

My PCB's and printed parts also arrived and have been added to the joystick mod pile.

 

Ian

[mrwell]

Great job!

Is the F-16 style locking nut compatible with your 3D printed tilted tailpice?

 

And, did you consider printing a piece to cover the spaces that will exist between this nut and the stick with the tilted tailpiece? That will help to get a solid joint for FCC/FSSB users.

Cheers

[debolestis]

Yes, locking nut is compatible with mine and TM tailpieces.

 

I cannot make nut like you suggest, because of geometry.

[Ranma13]

That FFB2 adapter is awesome! Do you need to tap the M3 holes, or can the grub screws self-tap it? Also, what length of grub screws would be good to get so that the screw doesn't protrude out?

 

Any possibility of supporting the CH Fighterstick as well? It's basically the same thing as the TM Warthog stick, but made out of plastic so it's lighter, and doesn't require as much strength to push the buttons down.

[debolestis]

Grub Screws will self tap, you need M3x5.

 

I can make CH version but I need measurmets of CH shaft. I would recomend using FLCS or F22 grips, they are plastic Cougars.

[Pinello]

And maybe make the FFB2 adapter in difrent "extention" lengths?

[debolestis]

Of course, just say what you need.

[mrwell]

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Yes, locking nut is compatible with mine and TM tailpieces.

 

I cannot make nut like you suggest, because of geometry.

 

 

 

Great it is compatible!

I didn't mean a single nut with that shape. I meant extra piece this way, but for the tilt tailpiece with your new nut:

 

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=196311&share_tid=25507&share_pid=360439&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebmsforum%2Eorg%2Fforum%2Fshowpost%2Ephp%3Fp%3D360439&share_type=t

 

Cheers

[debolestis]

Great it is compatible!

I didn't mean a single nut with that shape. I meant extra piece this way, but for the tilt tailpiece with your new nut:

 

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=196311&share_tid=25507&share_pid=360439&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebmsforum%2Eorg%2Fforum%2Fshowpost%2Ephp%3Fp%3D360439&share_type=t

 

Cheers

 

Can you post a photo please, I don't want to register on that site.

[Ranma13]

Here you go: https://imgur.com/a/xd5p1

[debolestis]

Here you go: https://imgur.com/a/xd5p1

 

It is not a problem, I'll try but I cannot be 100% sure that it will work straight away. I am not 100% sure on dimensions. Are you willing to risk with prototypes?

[mrwell]

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The idea is using the cougar grip with your 13° tilted tailpiece and your new locking nut. If you take the measures with all of that, it would be good.

But it will be different from that picture. Something like this but tilted:

 

 

I'll take the locking nut and that new piece (already have the tail). And probably more pitbuilders with FCC like me

That would help a lot with any weak point when applying pressure.

Cheers and thanks for your job!

[debolestis]

The idea is using the cougar grip with your 13° tilted tailpiece and your new locking nut. If you take the measures with all of that, it would be good.

But it will be different from that picture. Something like this but tilted:

 

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I'll take the locking nut and that new piece (already have the tail). And probably more pitbuilders with FCC like me

That would help a lot with any weak point when applying pressure.

Cheers and thanks for your job!

 

I'll think of something.

[debolestis]

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[Pinello]

Of course, just say what you need.

 

Great. What would be the extra cost of making it 12cm height?

 

And will it be stiff/rigid, or just limp..?

Edited September 24, 2017 by Pinello
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[debolestis]

Great. What would be the extra cost of making it 12cm height?

I don't know, I'll upload it on tuesday.

[debolestis]

Here's an update for my FFB2 mod. I did same resistor mod like ON THIS THREAD. This is a photo from that thread, I am not the author.

 

 

There are 4 pairs of 1 Ohm resistors in paralel on this PCB, so each pair is equivalent of 0,5 ohms. I soldered 8 more resistors on top of each already on PCB. It doubled the force effect. It very nice mod and now stick has enough power to handle Warthog grip. Before Warthog was falling on its nose, now it is almost cenered.

 

 

Warthog grip is not perfectly centered but it it close enough, it can probably be calibrated. I could add one more resistor on top of each of 4 resistor "quads". It could probably increase power 20% but it is a risk and I am not sure if it is worth it. This mod doubled power allready. Here is Diview screenshot:

 

With plastic grips both axis are on 50%.

 

In next few days I'll finish the rest of the electronics, I'll post the results.

Edited September 26, 2017 by debolestis

[Thadiun Okona]

Here's an update for my FFB2 mod. I did same resistor mod like ON THIS THREAD. This is a photo from that thread, I am not the author.

 

 

There are 4 pairs of 1 Ohm resistors in paralel on this PCB, so each pair is equivalent of 0,5 ohms. I soldered 8 more resistors on top of each already on PCB. It doubled the force effect. It very nice mod and now stick has enough power to handle Warthog grip. Before Warthog was falling on its nose, now it is almost cenered.

 

 

Warthog grip is not perfectly centered but it it close enough, it can probably be calibrated. I could add one more resistor on top of each of 4 resistor "quads". It could probably increase power 20% but it is a risk and I am not sure if it is worth it. This mod doubled power allready. Here is Diview screenshot:

 

With plastic grips both axis are on 50%.

 

In next few days I'll finish the rest of the electronics, I'll post the results.

 

Neat. Roland van Roy's mod is similar, but replaces the power supplies and ends up 400% the current, which is then fed into bigger motors.

 

http://www.simprojects.nl/ms_siderwinder_ff2_hack.htm

 

This mod is nice for being practical though, I may use it as a stop-gap solution for my sailplane cockpit now that Condor2 is officially in beta and it's gonna be a while before I can afford the motors I need to make the beefy version.

[mrwell]

I'll think of something.

 

 

 

Thank you very much

[Sokol1_br]

It doubled the force effect. It very nice mod and now stick has enough power to handle Warthog grip.

 

Increase the power... and the stress/wear over gears and motors. :joystick: :D

 

Better use a low weight PLASTIC grip - F16FLCS, F22PRO, CH-16, Suncom F-15... ;)

[debolestis]

Increase the power... and the stress/wear over gears and motors. :joystick: :D

 

Better use a low weight PLASTIC grip - F16FLCS, F22PRO, CH-16, Suncom F-15... ;)

 

I agree but I made mod that acts as extension, so I recoment resistor mod even if plastic grip is used.

[Thadiun Okona]

Increase the power... and the stress/wear over gears and motors. :joystick: :D

 

Better use a low weight PLASTIC grip - F16FLCS, F22PRO, CH-16, Suncom F-15... ;)

 

 

MS was very conservative when they decided how much power to allow this to pull. The motors and gears are fine with the additional load and heat is a concern so they made everything beefy but it doesn't run anywhere near its limits. So long as you can keep things cool, there's little to worry about with this mod, and replacement msffii cheap enough to keep one around for spares in case something fries. The guy that did this for his extension planned on incorporating a fan in the psu since it's getting hotter under these loads, which is a sensible precaution you may want to consider as well debolestis.

 

I agree a lower weight grip makes more sense in this case, but for performance reasons not necessarily mechanical concerns.

[debolestis]

I probably will not add aditional cooling, let's see how long it will last.

[debolestis]

Great. What would be the extra cost of making it 12cm height?

 

And will it be stiff/rigid, or just limp..?

 

Sorry that you had to wait but I made extended version of this adapter, it is 12 cm in total length.

 

I don't know how stiff/rigid it will be, I haven't tested it yet, but my experience tells me that it will be stiff. You'll have to test it yourself.

 

There has been some changes on Shapeways site, now sections in the store are supported. I organized everything and now it is much easier to navigate through the store.

 

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